Jeanneau 42i & Beneteau 423

[peterbotto]

Following the most interesting responses to my Bavaria post---many thanks---the other boats we are looking at are the new Jeanneau 42i and the Beneteau 423 which is on run out and therefore very good value. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Botters,

We had a good look at the 423 at SIBS and thought it to be a very nice boat... well thought out, well specified, and of a decent build quality.... particularly liked the fact that they seemed to have managed to build decent aft cabins without overly compromising the size of the cockpit lockers.....

 

[Amphitrite]

Well, I think I can add some comments about the Oceanis 423. I have deliverd one from Mallorca to Teneriffe in november 2004.
The boat behaved very well, and mastered a force 9 in the atlantic without any damages (opposed to a Bavaria 44 we met in Mohammedia whose interior of the forward cabin had dislodged itself as fas as 20cm). It was the shallow-keel with 1.7 m draft, so upwind performance left a bit to be desired, but this should sort itself if you go for more draft.
The storage below (it had 4 cabins) was more than enough for 3 weeks provisions, the tanks are huge and headroom and light are great.
The engine is powerfull and she handles beautiful under engine - with little, but predictable propwalk from a conventional shaft. The deck layout is good and proved seaworthy.

Can't compare to the Jeanneau as I only sailed the SO 40 - which appeared to be a bit worse regarding quality.

 

[Pinnacle]

There have been many comments about the build quality of the Bav's. Have you noticed the displacement numbers for the Bav 42 and the Jeanneau 42i? I make it about a ton difference between them - and its the Jeanneau that's lighter...... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[FullCircle]

I find the new Jeanneau interior quality is downgraded even from 2005. The 42 is positively MFI where the plywood stick on end grain tapes are on show, partic around the nav station. But then thats true of them all, or maybe I am just imagining it, having convinced myself that I would not swap Full Circle for any of them. And yes, I did go to SIBS to look at the Jen 42DS with half a serious eye........

 

[jonic]

Hi Botters

Have PM'd you regarding DUFOUR's. Fullcircle is correct.

 

[Sailfree]

When I looked the Beneteau interiors appeared superior to the Jeanneau but the deciding factor for me was the hull construction.

My understanding is that Beneteau use an inner moulding shaped to form the ribs and stringers while Jeaneau do a conventional build. I was not convinced that over time and assisted by the odd grounding the inner mould would not become seperated from the outer and how do you access it to check or repair. The make that really impressed me as a Structural Engineer was the Finngulf. Due to the rocky nature of Finnland it is designed to resist bashes and be easily repairable. I never looked closely at other Swedish boats as they are not aimed at the Charter market but suspect their build is similar.

It is interesting that Beneteau, Jeanneau & Dufour are owned by the same company but left to design and build their own boats independant of each other! I am not sure whether they take advantage of their combined buying power though.

As you would expect the Finngulf is dearer than the Jeanneau equivalent.

All boats are a compromise but for many price is the major deciding factor!

 

[davidfox]

My mate has just bought the 423 at the boat show. It was apparently cheaper and better value than there new 40 footer, which he couldnt get until next july

 

[doris]

Re: Jeanneau, Beneteau and Dufour

I think you will find that Dufour is owned by the same company as Grand Soleil. Waquiez is the stable mate to JenBen. FWIW I looked at Dufour 40s this time last year and after a serious look at the 2nd hand market could not get my head round the huge depreciation. Got a Dehler in the end.

 

[Sailfree]

Re: Jeanneau, Beneteau and Dufour

I have bought and sold 2 Dufours that I had bought new 3 yrs previously. I did not think they suffered any bigger depreciation than any other AWB including Dehler.

I seriously considered a Dehler but came to the conclusion that their steering gear seemed to be a bit on the small size and was aware of one that nearly sunk on the ARC a few years back due to Rudder problems.

WRT depreciation I think any boat that can be quickly supplied suffers the amount of depreciation that would tempt a person to buy it 2nd hand rather than pay a bit more and have a new one. The exceptions are when inflation/exchange rate causes the new price to rapidly rise or by buying 2nd hand you beat a 3yr wait for the delivery of a new one - It all about supply and demand -common sense really!!

I would really like to know the truth of what nearly new Bavs actually sell for though as I could believe that as they are so cheap a number of 1st time buyers buy one at a boat show and may quickly want to sell once they realise they don't use it as often as they thought or sailing is not for SWMBO etc. I could believe that this could cause an oversupply of nearly new boats but suspect the truth is that there are so many new ones the % being sold within a year or 2 is the same as any other.

 

[Duffer]

Re: Jeanneau, Beneteau and Dufour

I haven't noticed big depreciation on Dufour 40s and our 2 year old D 34 has held its value rather better than we expected - they are good boats and few come up for sale.