Dave95979
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All i can find as regards to numbers in my boat are these ones is this my boat id ? if not please can someone let me know what they are and what they mean ?
thanx
dave
thanx
dave
is this my boat id ?
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macd
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That's your official number and registered tonnage for Part 1 registration. If the boat is no longer on Part 1, it's meaningless.
How old's the boat? (The O.N. looks to be around 1990.) The practice for IDs/hull numbers has changed considerably over the years. It may even not have one at all. Or it could be quite small and embossed into the gelcoat, perhaps on the transom.
This thread is instructive: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?418459-Hull-Identification-number
How old's the boat? (The O.N. looks to be around 1990.) The practice for IDs/hull numbers has changed considerably over the years. It may even not have one at all. Or it could be quite small and embossed into the gelcoat, perhaps on the transom.
This thread is instructive: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?418459-Hull-Identification-number
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Dave95979
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Oh ok. Ummmm I don't know the age of the boat as I can't find the info on it I have tried google to no avail it is a vivacity 20 that's all I know
duncan99210
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The Vivacity was made by Hurley. On my Hurley 18, there's a small engraved metal plate on the beam supporting the mast tabernacle. It's has the hull number on it. Given that it's a small plate of what looks like an aluminium alloy it's amazing it's lasted as long as it has.
The number is repeated stamped into some of the plywood hatches in the saloon, seemingly at random.
If you happen to have sails with the Hurley sail number on them, then there is a database on the Hurley Owners Association website which will tell you when your boat was completed. You'll need to join the association to access the full site but it's £10 a year.
The number is repeated stamped into some of the plywood hatches in the saloon, seemingly at random.
If you happen to have sails with the Hurley sail number on them, then there is a database on the Hurley Owners Association website which will tell you when your boat was completed. You'll need to join the association to access the full site but it's £10 a year.
jwilson
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As Macd has said this is a British Part I registration number (the same as is used for big ships). Probably when the boat was or newer (maybe 1960-1975) the then owner had her surveyed, measured, and registered as a British Ship. Part of that process was proving to the Registrar of Shipping that he or she owned the boat, and he was then given a "Carving Note" with a number that had to be carved or otherwise permanently affixed to the "main beam" of the ship, plus a Blue Book that opened out into a document of registry ownership.
It was rare for smaller yachts to be Part I registered, and is rarer still these days. Most have swapped over to the cheaper and simpler SSR (Small Ships Register) which for £25 issues an SSR number that has to be shown on the hull in letters a certain size. Unless you leave British waters, there is no legal requirement to be registered at all. The small registration certificate gives you something to show to foreign customs officers to say that this is a British yacht.
As to your numbers: the tonnage given is nothing whatsoever to do with weight or displacement: it is a dimensionally calculated estimation of how many "tun" barrels of wine, brandy or pickled herring your "ship" could carry, used for calculating harbour dues and taxes for hundreds of years.
If you need to give someone an identifying number for your boat - eg for insurance or other purposes, the registration number should be fine, though to be correct it should probably be "formerly reg no XXXXX" as it's very unlikely that it's still current, unless you have an in-date laminated paper Certificate of Registry - which replaced the original Blue Book.
It was rare for smaller yachts to be Part I registered, and is rarer still these days. Most have swapped over to the cheaper and simpler SSR (Small Ships Register) which for £25 issues an SSR number that has to be shown on the hull in letters a certain size. Unless you leave British waters, there is no legal requirement to be registered at all. The small registration certificate gives you something to show to foreign customs officers to say that this is a British yacht.
As to your numbers: the tonnage given is nothing whatsoever to do with weight or displacement: it is a dimensionally calculated estimation of how many "tun" barrels of wine, brandy or pickled herring your "ship" could carry, used for calculating harbour dues and taxes for hundreds of years.
If you need to give someone an identifying number for your boat - eg for insurance or other purposes, the registration number should be fine, though to be correct it should probably be "formerly reg no XXXXX" as it's very unlikely that it's still current, unless you have an in-date laminated paper Certificate of Registry - which replaced the original Blue Book.
VicS
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All i can find as regards to numbers in my boat are these ones is this my boat id ? if not please can someone let me know what they are and what they mean ?
thanx
dave
As others have said the "official number" and registered tonnage when at sometime registered on what is now part 1 of the UK Ship Register
At one time registration was permanent but a few years ago that was changed and now expires if not renewed every 5 years.
If its not been renewed you can regard it as interesting history and if you need to register the boat you can now do so more cheaply on the Small Ships Register (SSR), Part III of the Ships register
The tonnage is a measure of internal volume where 1 ton = 100 cubic feet
You can read the numbers more easily if you switch the lights on
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Dave95979
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Lol I was going to do that in Lightroom but now you can see the mess of my boat
I want to insure it to cover the boat and more importantly other boats around it but they want a year it was built
I will have to look at the sail numbers and google them but unless they are original that won't work
I will also check every nock and cranny for a id plate
I just can't seem to find a lot about then online like changes they made from year to year to narrow the year made down
And I thought a boat had to be registered for use on inland waterways but when does the sea become a inland waterway
Sorry kind of new to yachts
I want to insure it to cover the boat and more importantly other boats around it but they want a year it was built
I will have to look at the sail numbers and google them but unless they are original that won't work
I will also check every nock and cranny for a id plate
I just can't seem to find a lot about then online like changes they made from year to year to narrow the year made down
And I thought a boat had to be registered for use on inland waterways but when does the sea become a inland waterway
Sorry kind of new to yachts
VicS
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Boats nowadays have to have a hull identification number but this was no so when your boat was made. Some makers did put a number on them but not the makers of small boats like yours as a rule.
You may have to estimate the year it was built OTOH if you contact the UK Ship register people they may be able to tell you the date it was first registered. It unlikely they have scrapped all the old records
Inland waterways is another matter. Yes you will have to be registered or licenced but that's completely different to the UK ship registers Also hurdles regarding a safety certificate to jump through .
You may have to estimate the year it was built OTOH if you contact the UK Ship register people they may be able to tell you the date it was first registered. It unlikely they have scrapped all the old records
Inland waterways is another matter. Yes you will have to be registered or licenced but that's completely different to the UK ship registers Also hurdles regarding a safety certificate to jump through .
Tranona
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You only need registration if you go onto BWB waters (mostly canals) which you would not do with a yacht with a mast. The only other place you need registration is the thames and if you do go there you can get temporary exemption. So no need at all to register your boat anywhere unless you go abroad. You . might try the registry in Cardiff with your Part 1 number, although it is likely that registration was discontinued years ago and there is no record.
With regard to insurance, just give an approximate date. The only reason the insurer wants to know is because they will probably want a survey if you want all risks. However, third party is easy to obtain.
Don't worry about this lack of identification etc - you are no different from thousands of other boats that have no "history". They come from an age when such things were not considered important. So just get the boat into decent condition and enjoy it. No officialdom will ever really bother you.
With regard to insurance, just give an approximate date. The only reason the insurer wants to know is because they will probably want a survey if you want all risks. However, third party is easy to obtain.
Don't worry about this lack of identification etc - you are no different from thousands of other boats that have no "history". They come from an age when such things were not considered important. So just get the boat into decent condition and enjoy it. No officialdom will ever really bother you.
VicS
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Hasn't the BWB been replaced by C&RT ?
macd
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If the numbers are sequential then, as said, the OP's, 703715, is from some time around 1990. (That's going by our similar number.) 1975 was, I think, around the 400,000 mark. Anyone any idea what it's up to now?
PaulRainbow
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If it's just for insurance purposes just tell them "approx 1975" and give them the old part 1 number. Simples.
jwilson
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You could be right - probably later than the main 60s/70s build dates of Vivacitys - mant were sold as home completion hulls/kits and some home builders took years to finish. Part I reg is just the sort of thing a proud final finisher-off of a boat might do, though most were either completely unregistered or on SSR.
There is nothing to stop a used boat being put on Part I, but the costs and complexity makes it a very rare thing indeed to do.
Latest Part I cert I have a copy of (as we sold the boat a year ago) is a 2010 boat with 700XXX
macd
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Mmm. The OP's is 703XXX. Ours is 714XXX. (The boat dates from 1990, but there's no telling when it first went on Part 1.)
