Is it me

[duncan]

One other factor in this seems to be that commercials seem to set their speed first and then deal with the resultant situations as best they can, whilst others , without schedules etc to maintain, match their speed to the conditions and situations as they arise.
All this supports the 'let 'em go' thread here; they are already stressed - no point in joining them when you are out to enjoy yourself.

 

[tcm]

Re: Not boring!

Ooh this isn't boring at all.

You are clearly getting pushed around too much. You need outriders like all the important people. Get the kids a nice dinghy each, each with T1 and T2 and so on, uniforms, radios, dark glasses. At least three will be needed, I reckon. They have to behave in a quasi-fascist-police-like manner, as when they shut roads that we've paid for so that Dukes etc can blam around central London. As any boat approaches, they should hang off the back, and can hook themselves together quite legally, whilst you proceed at chosen speed ahead. If challenged, they should not respond, but ask "Is this your boat?" and possibly "Do you know who that is?". When the indignantly helm says he dioesn't, and the hell is it, they should shake there heads and say, "I can't tell you that - and anyway - you wouldn't want to know who that is! She'll be clear in a moment or two." Constantly refer to the she will make it unclear if its the Queen or not. They'll each need radar jammers to return at speed to deal with any others in your way.

 

[martin]

Thats my point!..

Don't want sympathy as do not drive white van (arthur) and am old enuf to not give a hoot wot other oldgits think )..

however..am concerned that so called "professionals" and "watermen" such as Clipper Launch skipper seem to be trying to run us of the river...

(see post from Cnieghbour 25/8) and myself as mentioned in St Kats post (same bloke by the way!)..only regret is that I did not follow up complaint to PLA.

 

[martin]

Yeah..we have all that...doesnt work though..

nm

 

[hlb]

Re: Not boring!

Well that more or less what I was saying. Need to bring up more artilary to deal with them. To many nice people about these days, doing nothing and breeding nasty people. Father caught a burgler once and bent the AGA cooker poker round his legs. Not sure if he walked again. Did not do any more Burglaries though! Wiz the anchor at the trip boat next time. Then go full astern and rip his arse out........!!<G>

No one can force me to come here-----------
----- I'm a Volunteer!!!

Haydn

 

[boatone]

The Regulations

The International Regs - Rule 13 is quite specific about overtaking:

Overtaking

(a) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of part B, sections I and II, any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken.

(b) A vessel shall be deemed to be overtaking when coming up with another vessel from a direction more than 22.5 degrees abaft her beam, that is, in such a position with reference to the vessel she is overtaking, that at night she would be able to see only the sternlight of that vessel but neither of her sidelights.

(c) When a vessel is in any doubt as to whether she is overtaking another, she shall assume that this is the case and act accordingly.

(d) Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.

Thats the official regs and the ones I would expect to be observed. I have one slight reservation in that these are the regs for the prevention of collision 'AT SEA' and the non tidal Thames would not be categorised as 'at sea' . I have a feeling that the regs still apply but have so far not managed to find any definitive statement to that effect. Anyone know if there is a PLA or EA by-law or whatever saying that the regs hold good in their waters?



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[byron]

Re: The Regulations

The regs as you quote them would apply equally on any waters. An enquiry would use them as the guide lines even if not laid down specifically by the authority governing the waters in question.

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[Seafort]

Re: The Regulations

1(a) These rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.

1(b) "Is a bit of an out" but does state that any special rules shall conform as closely as possible to these Rules [IRPCS].

Dave.

 

[boatone]

Re: The Regulations

Thank you - should have remembered that bit !
Think that settles it nicely.

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[Chris_d]

Another anecdote, heard by a passenger on Thames Tideway trip boat after he had overtaken and washed out an unfortunate yottie:

The commentary from the skipper went " you may have heard that power gives way to sail" pause for laughter... " not on this river though, it's every man for himself "

I think the PLA are aware of the problem, and on my last trip up the tideway as I said, there was the warning on Ch.14 about St Kats and warnings to avoid other small craft, even Charing cross control seemed interested in my call and held a large trip boat on its mooring until I had passed.
Lets hope things are getting better.

 

[byron]

Weird! /forums/images/icons/crazy.gif I thought Boat One had put up the collision regs regarding an overtaking vessel.
In short, it is the overtaking vessels's responsibilty to stand clear thus allowing the vessel being overtaken to maintain their course

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