IPS 400 would you buy a boat with it

[petem]

Regarding IPS, I'd suggest drawing a graph and plotting two lines on it.

Line 1 is the cost that an owner is willing to pay to keep the drives running. During the warranty period this will be very low. For the next few years when the boat is still a valuable asset, it may be relatively high. As the boat ages and depreciates the amount will drop away. (Who would want to spend £25k on fixing IPS drives on a boat that's worth only £100k?)

Line 2 is the annual cost of maintaining and fixing the drives. This will start at zero during the warranty period and common sense would suggest that it will rise as the drives get older.

I don't want to be the one who owns an IPS boat when the two lines meet.

 

[TK Blue MAX]

(Who would want to spend £25k on fixing IPS drives on a boat that's worth only £100k?)

Surely this is the problem, if you dont spend the £25k fixing it ,the boats worthless,so you are in theory £75k out of pocket?

 

[petem]

(Who would want to spend £25k on fixing IPS drives on a boat that's worth only £100k?)

Surely this is the problem, if you dont spend the £25k fixing it ,the boats worthless,so you are in theory £75k out of pocket?

Exactly and that's why these boats COULD become next to worthless and anyone with any common sense won't buy one in case they're left 'holding the baby'.

Of course I could be totally wrong and they may still be going strong in 15 years time with engineers willing and able to fix them and a secondary parts market that brings minimizes costs. But I seriously doubt it.

 

[Portofino]

Re focusing that's the point "10 years old "
We seem to have gone round houses on the IPS subject ,buts that's forums !
Regarding new tech hmm ,even I would have a IPS new if it was on contract like a car ,just chuck the keys back after 3 years -go n get another .
Don't give a stuff re fwd bills .
Take a BMW i8
2000 + phone bats buried in the chassis ( li ion )
£100 K or so .
Lease it chuck it back .
But who,s gonna tackle a 5-7 year old one ?
Bats will be stuffed by then and any most of the regeneration tech needing repairs .Little range extender 1.5 engine ( bike derived ) --trashed between 70-100 K miles .
I,d buy a 5-7 year old 740 or 640 d between 70-100 K on its clock .

Back to IPS a seal will go one day and just changing the milky oil will not be enough .Leg will need dropping + new gears -all out of warranty .

Then there's that or those rubber skirts --still not bought into the fact they seem to have no change out time ,or don,t wear .Thats another leg drop job .
As I said under warranty -no my problem attitude - understand that .

But 10 years in

 

[jrudge]

Exactly and that's why these boats COULD become next to worthless and anyone with any common sense won't buy one in case they're left 'holding the baby'.

Of course I could be totally wrong and they may still be going strong in 15 years time with engineers willing and able to fix them and a secondary parts market that brings minimizes costs. But I seriously doubt it.

Pete,

I think this is a bit strong.

There are horses for courses in life, if not we would all be driving a Mondeo and living in a 3 bed semi.

Is IPS flawed? There is no evidence to suggest so.

Can it go wrong? yes everything can

Is it more expensive to fix? Probably as you need volvo only parts and probably a volvo tech with a computer. Bear in mind that EVC is not so different in this regard

Is it less reliable ? To me inconclusive. It is complex so maybe but there are plenty of people on here with outdrive / engine issues so stuff always goes wrong on a boat

Does it have benefits? As far as i know it does. It is a much smaller package giving much more space for a given length. Look at the Pearl 65 some time. There is more space than anything i have seen. They are Zeus not IPS but the principal is the same. They give the less experienced excellent close to handling ( never tried it just what is reported). They are apparently more efficient. Bear in mind boats are just about the least efficient mode of transport known to man so anything that improves it is a good thing. It is also simple to install and we assume this leads through in some way to other to the price of the boat ( the kit may well cancel the labour)

So some people will like it for the space / ease or simply that they like the boat and it happens to have IPS.

Would I buy one? Well it would depend if i liked the boat out not I suppose! I am not gods gift to boating but the close to handling benefit to me personally would not be something to sway me -- but we keep moaning people aren to buying boats and entering the market so again it is horses for courses.

There are plenty on here that wont touch an outdrive. I had no issues ( it did blow up shortly after i sold it however ! ,....)

And finally to clarify that I like i suspect most posting here have never even been one on an IPS boat let alone operated the controls so the criticise something we have never tried is also perhaps unwise.

 

[petem]

I understand the benefits (manoeuvring, installation efficiencies, more space efficient, fuel economy, etc) and certainly don't dispute them.

But I do think that at some point in the future they will render old boats "beyond economic repair". Only time will tell whether that's at 15, 20, 25 years or older.

 

[Nigelpickin]

I understand the benefits (manoeuvring, installation efficiencies, more space efficient, fuel economy, etc) and certainly don't dispute them.

But I do think that at some point in the future they will render old boats "beyond economic repair". Only time will tell whether that's at 15, 20, 25 years or older.

So I won’t hold my breath for a ‘Time to get another, IPS, boat’ thread then

 

[NGM]

But I do think that at some point in the future they will render old boats "beyond economic repair". Only time will tell whether that's at 15, 20, 25 years or older.

15, 20, 25 seems like you're guessing and don't really have any idea, it was a few post back that others were suggesting that the seal might cost £22k, again guessing.

Everyone has the right to chose which boat may or not suit them but to potentially scaremonger others with nothing other than speculation is a tad irresponsible.

A highly specced boat that is 10+ years needs very careful consideration for any buyers, generator, aircon, passerelle, hilo platforms, nav equipment, bow thrusters etc all have the potential to make a £100k boat potentially worth a lot less including the drive systems.

 

[petem]

So I won’t hold my breath for a ‘Time to get another, IPS, boat’ thread then

Indeed!

 

[petem]

15, 20, 25 seems like you're guessing and don't really have any idea, it was a few post back that others were suggesting that the seal might cost £22k, again guessing.

Everyone has the right to chose which boat may or not suit them but to potentially scaremonger others with nothing other than speculation is a tad irresponsible.

A highly specced boat that is 10+ years needs very careful consideration for any buyers, generator, aircon, passerelle, hilo platforms, nav equipment, bow thrusters etc all have the potential to make a £100k boat potentially worth a lot less including the drive systems.

Yep, I am guessing and am happy to acknowledge this. Truth is that we are speculating about a technology that is so new that there are none about that are 15-25 years old.

Hence my 'COULD' in capitals above (post #63). But I don't see that its irresponsible to suggest that such expensive and vulnerable components (i.e. pods) could give owners a real headache in a boats later life.

 

[rubberduck]

Yep, I am guessing and am happy to acknowledge this. Truth is that we are speculating about a technology that is so new that there are none about that are 15-25 years old.

Hence my 'COULD' in capitals above (post #63). But I don't see that its irresponsible to suggest that such expensive and vulnerable components (i.e. pods) could give owners a real headache in a boats later life.

If enough are purchased then there will be support for older boats, people will make sure of it with recon units etc, if not then there won't, so perhaps it would be an idea for us all to shut up & let some people buy the boats they like, & others to make a living out of keeping them going.

 

[Seastoke]

could be a a nice house boat

 

[gjgm]

Yep, I am guessing and am happy to acknowledge this. Truth is that we are speculating about a technology that is so new that there are none about that are 15-25 years old.

Hence my 'COULD' in capitals above (post #63). But I don't see that its irresponsible to suggest that such expensive and vulnerable components (i.e. pods) could give owners a real headache in a boats later life.

So that is just reflected in the price of the boat...as far as I can tell all your numbers are unsupported...it might equally be IPS is the bargain of the ageing boats world and we will all actually pay premiums for them ..you excepted of course...

 

[Nigelpickin]

could be a a nice house boat

Exactly!

Just seen a new boat post for a 13 year old boat with 100 ish hours...think it’s Kashursts new Rodman? Clearly for some owners, drive system is not an issue...indeed, the very nice folks who just bought my boat have only put 16 hours per year average across 10 years on their previous boat.

My conclusion is that it horses for courses and we are very lucky to have some fantastic choices / options....

 

[GrahamHR]

I'd worry more about EVC than IPS. The former has had numerous new versions. IPS less so.

I don't think that VP dealers/ agents/ Volvo UK are as clued up about EVC as they should be; I'll do a simple experiment in the next few weeks which will prove it to me ! I'll share the results, even if it proves me wrong.

 

[Seastoke]

I'd worry more about EVC than IPS. The former has had numerous new versions. IPS less so.

I don't think that VP dealers/ agents/ Volvo UK are as clued up about EVC as they should be; I'll do a simple experiment in the next few weeks which will prove it to me ! I'll share the results, even if it proves me wrong.

so what year did evc start coming into boats