Invisible women

[Beagle]

Only in England mate.... or at least probably in your direct surroundings.....

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[Joe_Cole]

You've lost me there!

"Shakey" said ".......from my experience there is a male/female divide in sailing, I think that blokes tend to be into sailing more than women in general."

I don't know about Holland, but I've lost count of the number of times I've heard in the club house, or read on this forum, that guy's wives are reluctant sailers. It's not criticism, just a statement of fact. Nor is anyone saying that it never happens in reverse. All that "Shakey" was saying is that, in general, the guys want to go sailing the women aren't so keen.



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[Shakey]

I was talking in general, and there will always be exceptions (for example, the male hostess in my original post).

But it seems that in Britain sailing is a bloke thing, and I'm sure there's more than one reason why. But that's surely a topic for a new thread...

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[Joe_Cole]

I would start a new thread but SWMBO won't let me!

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[Becky]

Olly, just stick at it. You will get accepted if you can prove yourself. About 30 years ago, I was captain of my Uni sailing team. Not that that gave me any great cudos, except that I could drive the hire car on away trips! And can you imagine how much that pi##ed off the guys? (I could also sail faster than them, which helped). But, if you are genuinely interested in sailing, and have a good memory for people and boats, they (the guys you meet) will come to rely upon your superior memory for all that they forget. It will give you an edge. Good luck,
Becky

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[Beagle]

Should have edited my message... the thought in my head doesn't much the written part... my humble excuses!
What triggered me was (quote)Generally sailing is a male thing and the females "go along with it".

Want I wanted to add was that perhaps if women are taken more seriously (or at least have the chance), perhaps they might enjoy it more....

Seems I always meet the minority type of people... cruisers with she-captain and he-cook who jumped board just for the ride......

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It is a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

 

[DanTribe]

Some years ago my daughter aged 16 & a bunch of her dinghy racing cronies raced my Stella in a local regatta and cleaned up. I thought I ought to go along as ballast in case an insurance form needed filling, but took no active part in sailing apart from "lard on rail".
I learnt two important lessons:~
1/ Young girls can be very very frank!
2/ When beaten by a bunch of girlies, the competition refused to believe that the old man wasn't really in charge.

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[LadyInBed]

Just got around to reading this thread - Have you thought of silicone implants? /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[RocquaineBay]

Now't wrong with being feminist, but let's face it, we are a whole generation at best confused. Sexual identity, sensuality, roles and responsibilities? When it comes to the cruch of women being perfectly able to do, what men do ordinarily every day, men are just a tad intimidated, after all, I ain't met one yet, that didn't have a mother! Men get just a bit pissed from the start, they could not be more unequal in light of this fact, so you can be damn sure, that in every other way, the institutions et al, will be formed, guided and ruled by men. It all starts right from the word go. Pink for girls blue for boys, trousers for him, skirt for her, doll for her, action man for him, stop showing you knickers cross your legs, makes for a well balanced outward and confident female...... like my arse!.....just no soddinn end to it. Best Advice....Be happy with who you are and what you do because in the end scheme of life, that's what matters most, not, whose approval you do it for.

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[boatless]

Isn't this about a generation out of date?

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[jimi]

Take its ayes then

Sorry could'nt resist it then deleted it cos it was'nt PC..

Seriously though I do'nt think sailing is a men only environment, kick the ones into touch that think that. My youngest daughter is the most natural sailor I know but unfortunately is starting to pick up the stereotyping from the media & school certainly not from me or ant other sailor t.. the other two daughters well they're just teenage bimbos... And Weekend Julie ly knows what she's taking about .. except when its web related!

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[Shakey]

<It all starts right from the word go. Pink for girls blue for boys, trousers for him, skirt for her, doll for her, action man for him, stop showing you knickers cross your legs, makes for a well balanced outward and confident female...... like my arse!.....just no soddinn end to it.>

Hmmmm, the old nature vs. nurture debate methinks.

I blame it on nature. I think that, generally speaking, men are more suited or more likely to be interested in sailing than women. Please note I'm talking about the typical man and the typical woman (he says as he dons his Fearnought flame proof suit!)

Seriously though, the stereotype is that of the man who drags the woman along into sailing. This doesn't mean women can't sail or skipper a boat, it just seems less likely that they'd want to do so in the first place.

Lastly, two random observations from my flotilla experiences:

1) Young women on yachts are invariably referred to as 'deck tinsel' 'cos all they want to do is sunbathe.

2) I had a family on one of my flotillas where the wife was petrified of water. On one windy day she wanted to sail on the lead boat with us. She'd gone along with the holiday because she didn't want her children to be petrified of water like she was. She was genuinely scared of being on open water but went through it all because of her family.

To me, that signifies a certain amount of bravery and self sacrifice.

My point is? I dunno. Again.

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[jimi]

Ugly men

Acshully the teenage bimbos have informed me that the only reason they do'nt go sailing is cos of the lack of handsome young chappies . [mine] and friends dvds [/mine] ouch .. ok what if we get a sodding dvd player for the boat?

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[Joe_Cole]

I couldn't agree more.

What amuses me about this whole feminist debate is that if I were to say something like "Women can multi-task better than men" it would be OK. If I said "Men can concentrate on a single task better than women" it would not be PC. It's the apparant refusal to accept that there are differences between the sexes that is so daft.



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[snowleopard]

as father of three young women, i often have a crew of youngsters. hoisting my main is a bit of a slog and i've found the most effective way to do it is to say 'this isn't a job for girlies' then stand back as the winches start to smoke. the lads seldom get a look in.

just to prove i'm even handed: son-in-law is an oxford croquet blue - i get him by saying it's a job for rugby players.

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[Becky]

Don't need them, I am quite big enough in that department thank you. Incidentally, when I was buying my first car on my own, about three years ago- (I am separated and was on my own then), I looked at a Volvo, because it was almost the nearest car showroom (what other basis to choose a car?), and was shown the drivers seat and the boot space. It was an estate, and it was explained to me that reversing was much easier as I would be able to see the back. The previous weekend there had been the Hockenheim Grand Prix, which I watched because I have raced on this track (I have driven on a lot of the GP circuits). I told the salesman this, and made him feel very small! A satisfying feeling, there was no need for him to patronise me. My friend went in to a car show room and was completely ignored so she walked out having made her feelings known. So when my sister-in-law wanted to buy a car a few weeks ago, my friend and I went along too, and we had a lot of fun at the expense of the salesman. Also got a huge discount! It is times like this that it is great fun being female!

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[pragmatist]

At the risk of being rude and off topic - how big is yours ? Since I almost always hoist our main on my own I am fascinated to find out why a multi main is hard work. But then maybe you'll have to ask me/us sailing to find out (and yes I know you've asked us lots - here's to a better season next year).

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[snowleopard]

my main weighs over 100 lbs including battens etc. because of the strange cleating arrangement it has to go round a couple more corners than normal so it's quite a beast to hoist, hence the use of junior labour whenever available.

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[LadyInBed]

Well that’s alright then /forums/images/icons/blush.gif

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[Olly]

Re: Take its ayes then

Hi Jimmi,

Saw it, laughed, had a sip of whisky, read it again, laughed again and then wondered where on earth it had gone!

Taken in the spirit it was intended!

I JUST WANT TO SAIL! I figure that there is enough to learn without the extra hassle highlighted by Becky.

I have so far worked out that in order to do so I need 4 things.
1. A yacht
2. someone to sail with who is more experienced than I am so i can learn from them and preferably male so I can make depreciating sexist remarks (no only kidding! - honest)
3. the time to do it
4. the money to be able to afford it!

Non of which is covered in the RYA syllabus!


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