Installed an oven yourself?

[Tim Good]

Has anyone fitted an on-board cooker/oven yourself. Well the fitting bit is easy but I mean the gas lines etc. The full ovens don't just plug and play into a butane bottle like the hobs do. They have a small copper pipe out back. Is there anything special i need to know or should i just get a professional to do it?

Basically I was just going to run a gas hose from my locker through into the cabin, past the engine bay somehow and then onto the port side when my galley is.

Anyone any advice I might not have thought of?

(I have a Plastimo cooker which includes a hob and oven)

 

[sailorman]

Has anyone fitted an on-board cooker/oven yourself. Well the fitting bit is easy but I mean the gas lines etc. The full ovens don't just plug and play into a butane bottle like the hobs do. They have a small copper pipe out back. Is there anything special i need to know or should i just get a professional to do it?

Basically I was just going to run a gas hose from my locker through into the cabin, past the engine bay somehow and then onto the port side when my galley is.

Anyone any advice I might not have thought of?

(I have a Plastimo cooker which includes a hob and oven)

use annealed 8m/m copper inside a plastic pipe ( for protection ) with a hose clip at one end of the plastic pipe. a gas cock beside the cooker to isolate the supply locally.from the gas cock to the cooker only requires an orange flexipipe

 

[VicS]

There is a limit for the acceptable length of hose. And rules about gas pipe in engine compartments

Its not difficult or rocket science but it sounds as though gas installations may be something you are not familiar with, and maybe not competent to install.

However have look at the Boat Safety Scheme section 7

http://www.boatsafetyscheme.com/downloads/BSS_Guide_chap7.pdf

Do you know the correct way of making a joint using compression fittings?

Do you know how to test the system for leaks?

 

[saltylegs]

Try this
http://www.gasproducts.co.uk/acatalog/Caravan_Gas_Equipment.html
for parts, but if you are as unsure as you sound I would get an engineer to do it.

 

[ChrisE]

Has anyone fitted an on-board cooker/oven yourself. Well the fitting bit is easy but I mean the gas lines etc. The full ovens don't just plug and play into a butane bottle like the hobs do. They have a small copper pipe out back. Is there anything special i need to know or should i just get a professional to do it?

Basically I was just going to run a gas hose from my locker through into the cabin, past the engine bay somehow and then onto the port side when my galley is.

Anyone any advice I might not have thought of?

(I have a Plastimo cooker which includes a hob and oven)

Fitting the cooker is relatively simple, selling your boat without a gas fitters certificate might be more of a challenge....

 

[sailorman]

Fitting the cooker is relatively simple, selling your boat without a gas fitters certificate might be more of a challenge....

dont be silly, who has been asked for one

 

[Simondjuk]

I suggest you don't do it as you don't seem certain.

You'll need Fulham nozzles, bulkhead fittings (or to decide on an alternative means of bringing the pipework through bulkheads which will prevent chafe whilst avoiding adding additional joints in the run), a pipe bender if you wish to form anything more than gentle radii, copper olives to replace the brass ones some fittings come with, and a manometer to test the installation amongst other things.

If you don't know what any of the above items are or are not familiar with, and competent in their use, you'll be experimenting, and doing that with LPG installations on a boat is less than ideal.

Also, where will the gas bottle be located? If it's not in a dedicated gas locker or bottle enclosure with an overboard drain, fitting one should be given serious consideration.

use annealed 8m/m copper inside a plastic pipe ( for protection ) with a hose clip at one end of the plastic pipe.

I'm not sure exactly what is meant by this, but if the suggestion for the use of the hose clip is to attach the flexible hose directly to the plain end of the copper, that's a no no.

 

[sailorman]

I suggest you don't do it as you don't seem certain.

You'll need Fulham nozzles, bulkhead fittings (or to decide on an alternative means of bringing the pipework through bulkheads which will prevent chafe whilst avoiding adding additional joints in the run), a pipe bender if you wish to form anything more than gentle radii, copper olives to replace the brass ones some fittings come with, and a manometer to test the installation amongst other things.

If you don't know what any of the above items are or are not familiar with, and competent in their use, you'll be experimenting, and doing that with LPG installations on a boat is less than ideal.

Also, where will the gas bottle be located? If it's not in a dedicated gas locker or bottle enclosure with an overboard drain, fitting one should be given serious consideration.

I'm not sure exactly what is meant by this, but if the suggestion for the use of the hose clip is to attach the flexible hose directly to the plain end of the copper, that's a no no.

purely as a sleeve to protect the copper pipe

 

[Simondjuk]

That's what I thought you were suggesting, but I didn't understand the hose clip. Just to stop the hose shifting along the pipe?

 

[Tim Good]

There is a limit for the acceptable length of hose. And rules about gas pipe in engine compartments

Yeah this would be an issue. Basically i only have one locker on the starboard side which houses the batteries also. I don't really want the gas bottle inside the cabin so I was going to make a little housing for it and run a line into the cabin, following the other lines and then somehow safely route it to the cooker on the port side. I suppose I need to bypass the engine compartments somehow.

Eitherway the total length of the hose is going to be approx 6m I think.

In terms of experience then yeah you're probably right I might be best having some accredited do it. I've fitted stoves to camper vans before but that is child's plays.

 

[Simondjuk]

Max length of hose is 1 metre.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

You MUSNT use flexible hose for that distance.... far too dangerous.

Use 8mm copper as suggested by Sailorman... and then terminate with a compression fitting to nozzle for the last bit to the oven.

Where the pipe goes through bulkheads, protect it.

Dont put the gas in the battery locker... thats crazy!

It can be done DIY... i`m putting new pipework in this weekend... it`s costing about £100 to do it properly, but it`ll be safe.

Also consider a bubble tester... a few quid more, but great peace of mind.

 

[Heckler]

Fitting the cooker is relatively simple, selling your boat without a gas fitters certificate might be more of a challenge....

My boat hasnt got a gas fitters certificate, neither did my previous one. Both modern AWBs.
Stu

 

[Slowtack]

Yes did my own. Got parts from here:
http://www.gasproducts.co.uk/acatalog/Caravan_Gas_Equipment.html
(No connection, no pun intended either)

 

[Tim Good]

So if I only have one locker and that's where the battery is I'm kinda stuff aren't it? What options do I have other than having the bottle in the cabin?

For those that are interested here is the setup in question:

 

[saltylegs]

So if I only have one locker and that's where the battery is I'm kinda stuff aren't it? What options do I have other than having the bottle in the cabin?

For those that are interested here is the setup in question:

what type of boat or a photo of the cockpit would help

ps dont put the cylinder inside

 

[VicS]

So if I only have one locker and that's where the battery is I'm kinda stuff aren't it? What options do I have other than having the bottle in the cabin?

Do not under any circumstances have the bottle in the cabin.

It needs to be in proper gas bottle locker, with no access from the cabin and gas tight to above the top of the regulator etc apart from an overboard drain.

Look at the BSS chapter 7 in the link I gave earlier for all aspects of the design of the gas bottle locker and the installation that you should attempt to comply with.

http://www.boatsafetyscheme.com/downloads/BSS_Guide_chap7.pdf

 

[Tranona]

Just been through this, replacing the whole system in a modern AWB. Can be done yourself. Sailorman's description is the way to do it. You also need to have your gas bottle as Vic says in a drained sealed locker.

In the end I had a professional do it as it was not a huge amount more than buying the bits and doing it myself, plus got a certificate, which surveyors are increasingly commenting on in surveys. We agreed what I would do in terms of removing trim etc for access, so all he did was run the new pipes, fit the tap and new regulator, connect up and test. Around £300. Same cooker as yours BTW but without the grill.

 

[doug748]

Yes, I fitted mine. No particular problems.
I had a gas fitter on board once, it would have been cheaper to hire a Harley Street Gynecologist.
Do it yourself, but heed all the advice and fit a Bubble Leak Tester in your new gas locker.

 

[neale]

I think when it comes to gas, if you have to ask, it's probably best not to do it yourself. Have you seen the YM crash test boat explosion?