In peace

[sht]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

 

[jonjo]

Try to ignore Dylan, politically speaking he is just a curious 20th century historical artefact.

 

[dylanwinter]

I have never mentioned divers or seahorses

Try to ignore Dylan, politically speaking he is just a curious 20th century historical artefact.

yet!

 

[chanelyacht]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

Absolutely.

Assuming your user name is short for Sea Horse Trust, I look forward to your two nutters being reigned in. Perhaps then, when the average boater is not being portrayed as something slightly nastier than Hitler, peace may commence.

 

[sht]

Absolutely.

Assuming your user name is short for Sea Horse Trust, I look forward to your two nutters being reigned in. Perhaps then, when the average boater is not being portrayed as something slightly nastier than Hitler, peace may commence.

I'm not sure that referring to people as nutters is conducive to peace. Opinions and facts may have been stated strongly. that doesn't make people nutters.

 

[chanelyacht]

I'm not sure that referring to people as nutters is conducive to peace. Opinions and facts may have been stated strongly. that doesn't make people nutters.

I think the people concerned have made more than enough public statements inciting criminal damage and railing against perfectly normal questions to be described as nutters.

 

[Tranona]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

Is there a subject to this thread you have started?

What would you like to talk about? I am sure forum members would be only too happy to contribute if they knew what it was about!

 

[webcraft]

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I suspect this is an attempt to make a few of you say foolish things that can then be used as evidence that boaters are all unreasonable barstewards even when approached with reason and an olive branch outstretched. I find it unlikely that this is a genuine peace overture, so I would be careful what you say.

- W

 

[Tintin]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

Yes, I'd love to spend time with you to hear your side of things and find out how we can compromise - there is space in and on the ocean for all of us.

 

[jac]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't you think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

Firstly welcome to the Forum SHT and thank you for a modest approach.

I think most sailors would partially agree with you. We want the entire sea environment preserved - you seem to be focussing on just the seahorses but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt!!

However - whilst I'm sure that you a rational, sensible person - the other people from "the otehr side" have not been - talk of banning boats from anchoring in studland, illegal mooring and taking photos of Faeces and then claiming they have been through a sea toilet, boats with 50 kg anchors in 6 feet of water etc to say nothing of the class warfare aspect.

All that most people are saying is that we need to have a scientifically robust study to understand what impact the few days per year when lots of boats anchor in studland are really having.

Demanding solutions without even knowing that there is a problem is a red rag to most people - particulalry when those solutions will introduce hundres of blots on the landscape of Studland which may only be needed on a couple of dozen or so days per year and which will then impose extra cost on ordinary people.

if that financial cost is the price we need to pay to safeguard the marine environment then that may be OK but to insist on it based on a theory seems too big brother.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

sht as in Sea Horse Trust, by any chance?

 

[jac]

sht as in Sea Horse Trust, by any chance?

Remember there is no I in sht.

 

[Danny Jo]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

Yes, please.

 

[snowleopard]

Hi,

I'm from the "other side" in peace. We all use the sea, you as boaters we as divers. I'm sure we all want to sea all species preserved and the seas free for all to use responsibly.

Don't tou think we should be talking to each other rather than the present war of words?

Is that peace as in 'Let's examine the scientific evidence and reach a reasoned conclusion' or peace as in 'we win, you surrender'?

p.s. my tag line is a joke so don't go quoting it as 'evidence'.

 

[chanelyacht]

p.s. my tag line is a joke so don't go quoting it as 'evidence'.

Oh bugger, I was going to buy a jar of them....

 

[sht]

I'm just suggesting that although there is no published evidence yet it must be obvious to one and all that the evironment in Studland must be damaged by too much anchoring so it must be worth introducing some restrictions. I'm sure no one wants to see this unique environment destroed.

Nobody wants a complete ban on anchoring but remeber that we aretalking about protected species and so far nobody from the boating side seems very interested in protecting them.

I am sure we would all like to behave exactly as we please but in todays overcrowdrd world tahts just not possible, especially where a delicate eviroment and protected species are involved. A littel restraint now may avoid much more serious measures later.

Think about it

 

[tinkicker0]

Inland waters user, so I have no axe to grind either way, except that I can see the need to care for the environment and the seagoing brethren have the right to navigate and anchor as they see fit.

Perhaps if it really is a big issue, an anchor ban and your trust ensuring the provision of a hundred or so free to use, short stay, swinging moorings for the boats to cleat on to, will satisfy all concerned.

.........and the seahorses can go fornicate with themselves with complete abandon.

The environmentalists usual modus operendi of resorting to veiled threats whilst supposedly offering the olive branch just does not wash and is hardly constructive.

I am sure we would all like to behave exactly as we please but in todays overcrowdrd world tahts just not possible, especially where a delicate eviroment and protected species are involved. A littel restraint now may avoid much more serious measures later.

 

[sht]

No threat intended. Just a statement of all to obvious fact.

 

[Searush]

I'm just suggesting that although there is no published evidence yet it must be obvious to one and all that the evironment in Studland must be damaged by too much anchoring so it must be worth introducing some restrictions. I'm sure no one wants to see this unique environment destroed.

Nobody wants a complete ban on anchoring but remeber that we aretalking about protected species and so far nobody from the boating side seems very interested in protecting them.

I am sure we would all like to behave exactly as we please but in todays overcrowdrd world tahts just not possible, especially where a delicate eviroment and protected species are involved. A littel restraint now may avoid much more serious measures later.

Think about it

Why does that still come over as a threat? I thought you came in peace? There are seahorses in marinas quite happily co-existing with boats. The anchors are only there now & again. At least we don't go round handling & stressing them. Grabbing pregnant ones & stretching them out forcibly to measure them for the entertainment of the TV cameras!

I think you & your colleagues are probably more of threat to the survival of the species than boaters. Your constant striving for media attention is drawing more traffic to the area - divers, boaters, swimmers & cars. It can't help.

It reminds me of the RSPB taking over Scottish Islands "for the sake of the birds" changing age-old local practices & then wondering why the bird population falls as the ecology changes. How much is being done for the species you claim to represent & how much for yourselves? I supect the proportion is heavily weighted against the poor seahorses. Why can't you just leave them alone? They have been there for hundreds of years & don't need divers prodding & poking them in pseudo "scientific" exploitation that you seem to attempt to disguise as "research".

 

[Tintin]

No threat intended. Just a statement of all to obvious fact.

You say in an earlier post that there is no published evidence, and then say it is "obvious fact". you seem to be confusing fact with conjecture - in my experience always a dangerous practice.

Provide the evidence and then a workable solution e.g. Fixed moorings that would obviate anchor drag. You may then find you have more support from us than you can only dream about at the moment.

I fear you may currently have fallen into the trap of believing your own pr.

No one wants to see a species damaged, but you can't seriously expect support of normal rational people without providing independent unbiased evidence.