IN in EU or OUT from EU

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

It would be interesting to see the views of the forumites on the IN or OUT from EU imminent referendum. The Brits have always enjoyed spending holidays in the Med countries and many (many more than we think) spend more time there than here; most of them ending up working there on full time jobs in both the tourist and the professional industries.

I personally know many Brits who went to Greece to enjoy the sailing and the sun and soon moved there permanently. If the outcome is OUT, would this affect those who live there? or the whole thing is just a paper exercise?

 

[Capt. Clueless]

People were holidaying & residing in most European countries before the EU came along.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

People were holidaying & residing in most European countries before the EU came along.

Not really, it has been vastly accelerated in the last 10 years

 

[LadyInBed]

I wonder if EU attitude to us using Red would change if we came out.
It could change for better, boat is foreign country flagged so foreign rules, like CI boats who have never, as far as I'm aware, had a problem, or worse, charge duty on fuel in tank.

Ps and the other change might possibly be us having to fill out, was it 1331? I can't even remember the form number, it's been so long, for the Customs and Excise. That will put them under pressure dealing with it.

 

[rotrax]

Not really, it has been vastly accelerated in the last 10 years

Whatever do you mean "Not really"?

Of course British Citizens were working and living in what are now EU countries long before we joined.

We were trading with, holidaying in, adventuring, working and living in just about every country in the world at some time.

Only the quantities have changed, not the basic premis.

Why should it change? If Spain chucked out the Brits who live there expect severe local economic downturn. Their pension Euro's are essential for the local economies.

It is hardly concievable that the EU will be able to stop travel, the right to hold residency and have employment in any EU State against the wishes of that State.

I f they did it could go the the ECJ.............................

 

[Biggles Wader]

"its the economy,stupid"
Will we be better off in or out.Everything else can be sorted later,but without money we will totally b00gered.So here's the question------Do you feel lucky?

 

[Colvic Watson]

The EU needs us waaaaaay more than we need them. Our balance of trade with the EU is negative and there would be a long time after the vote before actual exit, most commentators are talking about up to ten years, during which it would be business as usual whilst treaties and trade agreements are negotiated.

 

[prv]

I wonder if EU attitude to us using Red would change if we came out.
It could change for better, boat is foreign country flagged

Like the American motor yacht that was charged thousands by the Belgians?

Pete

 

[Heckler]

Like the American motor yacht that was charged thousands by the Belgians?

Pete

Yep ,but it wasnt too much later that they were begging tourists to come back, the nasty douaneiers had been talked to!
Market forces always work!
S

 

[ianj99]

Leave, Boris for PM, pro British Cabinet, sack all the Europhile ministers, introduce Australian/Canadian system for immigration (no job, no work permit, no entry.)

 

[LadyInBed]

Like the American motor yacht that was charged thousands by the Belgians?

Pete

Yes, full quote was
It could change for better, boat is foreign country flagged so foreign rules, like CI boats who have never, as far as I'm aware, had a problem, or worse, charge duty on fuel in tank.

 

[MJWF]

The EU needs us waaaaaay more than we need them. Our balance of trade with the EU is negative and there would be a long time after the vote before actual exit, most commentators are talking about up to ten years, during which it would be business as usual whilst treaties and trade agreements are negotiated.

Really not true. While we may be net importers from EU (not generally considered an economic positive) the % of exports that goes to EU in 2014 was 44.6 %. On the other hand EU exports to UK are only 21%. So who is going to be in the driving seat when doing a deal - the EU clearly. Brexit supporters have the same attitudes and arrogance that typified the failing British empire -

 

[shan]

Really not true. While we may be net importers from EU (not generally considered an economic positive) the % of exports that goes to EU in 2014 was 44.6 %. On the other hand EU exports to UK are only 21%. So who is going to be in the driving seat when doing a deal - the EU clearly. Brexit supporters have the same attitudes and arrogance that typified the failing British empire -

Agreed.

 

[Sybarite]

. If the outcome is OUT, would this affect those who live there? QUOTE]

1) I don't think it will be an out vote.
2) If, dear help us, it is, I don't think that there will be retaliatory measures against the expats.
3) However, I'm not taking chances; I'm exercising my rights to an Irish passport.

 

[Koeketiene]

Had to check twice, for I moment I thought I had strayed into The Lounge.

 

[fergie_mac66]

I wonder if EU attitude to us using Red would change if we came out.
It could change for better, boat is foreign country flagged so foreign rules, like CI boats who have never, as far as I'm aware, had a problem, or worse, charge duty on fuel in tank.

Ps and the other change might possibly be us having to fill out, was it 1331? I can't even remember the form number, it's been so long, for the Customs and Excise. That will put them under pressure dealing with it.

Not been to CI for a while

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Of course British Citizens were working and living in what are now EU countries long before we joined.

We were trading with, holidaying in, adventuring, working and living in just about every country in the world at some time.

Only the quantities have changed, not the basic premis.

Why should it change? If Spain chucked out the Brits who live there expect severe local economic downturn. Their pension Euro's are essential for the local economies.
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Yes, but, there are far more Brits who work in the Med countries and they dont receive a pension from the UK, so they rely on a job and employment over there. The may not be very happy if things change.

 

[LadyInBed]

Not been to CI for a while

I go regularly, Jersey has canned the Customs and Excise arrival form, Guernsey clings on to it.
I've not heard of any issues with CI residents visiting France.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

The EU needs us waaaaaay more than we need them. Our balance of trade with the EU is negative and there would be a long time after the vote before actual exit, most commentators are talking about up to ten years, during which it would be business as usual whilst treaties and trade agreements are negotiated.

mmmmm......they buy aver 50% of our products at higher prices than other markets would

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Had to check twice, for I moment I thought I had strayed into The Lounge.

Lets try and keep it relevant to sailing and yachting. A lot of Brits go for a sailing holiday down south and eventually move there for a number of years or permanently.