Important about ICC.
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Nick_H
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Re: hlb
The ICC is already split by size. I had a ski boat driver award, so sent off for the ICC licence, but the licence states only up to 8.5 m LOA. I had to do the test again in a bigger boat to get the ICC up to 24m.
The ICC is already split by size. I had a ski boat driver award, so sent off for the ICC licence, but the licence states only up to 8.5 m LOA. I had to do the test again in a bigger boat to get the ICC up to 24m.
jfm
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So can you attach a length of bamboo to the front of your rib, using gaffer tape, making the LOA10.1metres, and get a 24m certificate, please?
Davy_S
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Julie, Forgive my thick question, but I have held an ICC for power and sail. I renewed it again last year. Will it just carry on as before ie I just renew it every five years? Or is life not so simple!
powerskipper
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This does not affect anyone who holds an ICC at present, just anyone who is taking one from now on.
So Davy your fine, just keep renewing yours.
So Davy your fine, just keep renewing yours.
itsonlymoney
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Solitaire
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Re: hlb
Ski driver award is different from RYA Level 2. Up untill the end of 2004 a Level 2 certificate entitled holder to an ICC up to 24 metres.
Ski driver award is different from RYA Level 2. Up untill the end of 2004 a Level 2 certificate entitled holder to an ICC up to 24 metres.
Davy_S
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Cheers Julie.
duncan
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Re: hlb
ignoring the ski driver bit I think the point being made is that initially the ICC was split between sportsboats and cruisers, then it wasn't (ie when you renewed just ended up with 'power') and now it's going to be split again.
Logic suggests that if your original licence said sporstboat you will revert to the lower category on the next renewal, expediency (and this thread) suggests that if you have one saying power it will do for up to 24m...............
ignoring the ski driver bit I think the point being made is that initially the ICC was split between sportsboats and cruisers, then it wasn't (ie when you renewed just ended up with 'power') and now it's going to be split again.
Logic suggests that if your original licence said sporstboat you will revert to the lower category on the next renewal, expediency (and this thread) suggests that if you have one saying power it will do for up to 24m...............
hlb
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Thing that anoys me about all these courses, is the utter crap you have to learn that you never ever use again. I've done the day skipper theory. 95% of that was useless. I've been sailing around for donkeys years and even though done day skipper, would not have a clue about what boat has which lights. Does it really matter!! Yet theres nothing in DS about trimming the boat for going into big waves or trimming for following seas. What the hell you need to know about secondary ports or measuring tides to the nano milimeter. Well I've never needed to and not many folks af cruised around a bigger or diverse area. It's all there written down in the pilot, almanac or tide table!!
Solitaire
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Not sure Duncan, but I think that under British Waterski Federation rules not RYA. The existing form, which I have several copies to hand, just asks question regarding power or sail. I have not copies of the revised form yet.
Not sure Duncan, but I think that under British Waterski Federation rules not RYA. The existing form, which I have several copies to hand, just asks question regarding power or sail. I have not copies of the revised form yet.
jfm
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I completely agree hlb. They should teach more practical boat handling, and ditch much of the 2ndary port stuff. I have never done a 2ndary port calc, likely never will. So long as you know the way the water is shifting and the nearest big port data, that's all you need, you can guess the rest. And they should teach more electronic nav, though I hear they do now. I spent a day of my sailing coastal skip in Plymouth arguing with the instructor who had no understanding of the trigonometry in apparent wind. I wouldn't have minded, only he was insisting on teaching it and on my learning it his way, which was wrong. He was a retired maths teached btw, but let's not go off on that tangent (or cosine)
hlb
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Bloody hell, I learned about apparant wind from a liitle book when I started dinghy sailing. It was not rocket science with a picture of a steam train and the smoke starting off at right angles and finishing up following the train as it sped up!!
It's ok for the academic. Remembering tons of useless information, only to be set loose in the marina with no where near the skills to cope.
It's ok for the academic. Remembering tons of useless information, only to be set loose in the marina with no where near the skills to cope.
duncan
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Re: hlb
David, I was going back to the original form...........from memory (but I have one around at the boat) sports boat / cruiser; tidal / non tidal ; power / sail
David, I was going back to the original form...........from memory (but I have one around at the boat) sports boat / cruiser; tidal / non tidal ; power / sail
hlb
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Even less than that. I've been to Britany off a plymouth tide table. Ok it's a bit of a pain. Plymouth less X dover Plus, minus x for wherever, then add retract summer time. But you can go most any place off any tide table and an old out of date almanac. Why dont they teach that??
duncan
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I would expect your experience to enable you to estimate the tide times on the North Brittany coast from a Plymouth tide table pretty accurately - even to size too
You know they wil top out around 12m so can interpolate (guess) heights and the times won't differ much between say Morlaix and Plymouth (?)
On the other hand you are new to boating and have done extensive work with an almanac but leave plymouth for Treguier and whoops, passage plan and almanac have been left behind leaving only a page from a local paper giving HT times and sizes for the month......do you turn around mid channel to go back and get the almanac?
You know they wil top out around 12m so can interpolate (guess) heights and the times won't differ much between say Morlaix and Plymouth (?)
On the other hand you are new to boating and have done extensive work with an almanac but leave plymouth for Treguier and whoops, passage plan and almanac have been left behind leaving only a page from a local paper giving HT times and sizes for the month......do you turn around mid channel to go back and get the almanac?
hlb
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Nothing to do with experience, an almanac or pilot book will give the tides +- dover for where ever and also tell you the difference plymouth dover. So you know excactly. And no, I would not go wothout a pilot book!!
duncan
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we are probably at cross purposes here - my fault.
I was simply suggesting that with (your) experience a simple list of HW times and heights for Plymouth would enable you to estimate the size and time of tide along the N Brittany coast sufficiently to feel comfortable approaching a port. Without an almanac a newly qualified DS(theory) would struggle (understatement).
I was simply suggesting that with (your) experience a simple list of HW times and heights for Plymouth would enable you to estimate the size and time of tide along the N Brittany coast sufficiently to feel comfortable approaching a port. Without an almanac a newly qualified DS(theory) would struggle (understatement).
