Solent Cruiser
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Yes, they did.
Yes.
But you have to show (hand over) copies of last three month's bank (or equivalent) statements....agin, something some people will not entertain.
Im sorry, another brexit question
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But you have to show (hand over) copies of last three month's bank (or equivalent) statements....agin, something some people will not entertain.
Kelpie
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I don't have first hand experience but several other people on this forum could help you. I do know that the yard is cheaper than any of the marinas and benefits from proximity to the airport... also it's always preferable to lift out rather than have the boat sitting growing barnacles.
Gib is pretty cool and a few days there are fun, although IMHO it would wear pretty thin. Three months would seem like a very very long time, although that could say more about be than the place!
CraigandHan
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thanks kelpie, ill look into the hauling out, to be honest it could coincide with the work pre cape verde/ atlantic, post canals to check the bottom,
thanks once again guys, i must admit its put a bit more realism back into having a dream again!
Graham376
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Came out of Bruce's yesterday. Prices for 11.5m boat - Lift in or out €125, power wash 97, daily rate 7.84. All plus 23% IVA (VAT)
CraigandHan
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Thanks graham that actually helps alot, are you residing there at the moment or storing?
Graham376
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We have a mooring just off Faro and have been using Bruce's for the last 16 years or so for annual refit. Just lift out for usually 5-6 weeks. It's mainly a DIY yard, free to do whatever maintenance you want but outside contractors have to be approved and insured. 10 mins by taxi to airport and 10 mins walk to supermarkets. Boats of all nationalities come and go and there are also long term yard liveaboards some of whom may one day finish rebuilds and sail away.
CraigandHan
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Graham, this is great news and a potential for us to use for our plans. Thank you for taking the time to respond
steve yates
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When you exit the canals, are you turning west and heading for spain and the canaries prior to crossing? Or are you going further into the med?
CraigandHan
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Steve,
the plan was originally to head into the med, however realistically now with brexit it looks like high tailing it to the canaries
the plan was originally to head into the med, however realistically now with brexit it looks like high tailing it to the canaries
geem
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We left UK last summer. Sailed from Falmouth to Bayona, Cascais, Sagres, cruised Algarve then direct to Canaries. Canaries direct to Antigua. It can be done without too much effort in 90 days. Ours got a little tight as we spent time sat in a marina trying to sort residency. We binned that idea off and sailed to the Caribbean instead
CraigandHan
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Hi geem,
would you mind giving me a break down on days spent at and getting to the canaries, i.e 2 days from falmoth to…. 1 day sight seeing, etc etc
where are you now?
would you mind giving me a break down on days spent at and getting to the canaries, i.e 2 days from falmoth to…. 1 day sight seeing, etc etc
where are you now?
Chris_Robb
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I presume coming from the Channel Islands your yacht is not Vat Paid at all.
You need to be aware that throughout Europe including the UK, you would therefore have a maximum of 18 months in the EU - or separately in the UK.
Question to all - is staying longer than 6 months regarded in France as creating residency? If so you will not be able to keep a non VAT paid yacht in Europe without paying VAT.
I dont know how the French interpret this, but certainly in Greece staying longer than 6 months triggers residency - and you will be given 1 month to tale your boat out of Greek (and EU) waters.
A point to bare in mind.
You need to be aware that throughout Europe including the UK, you would therefore have a maximum of 18 months in the EU - or separately in the UK.
Question to all - is staying longer than 6 months regarded in France as creating residency? If so you will not be able to keep a non VAT paid yacht in Europe without paying VAT.
I dont know how the French interpret this, but certainly in Greece staying longer than 6 months triggers residency - and you will be given 1 month to tale your boat out of Greek (and EU) waters.
A point to bare in mind.
CraigandHan
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Hi chris,
the boat is 1980, and was not around when VAT was paid, i have original recieptsand being in jersey i was always going to have this problem, ican prove tax having been paid on entering jersey,
but not much else i can do ?
the boat is 1980, and was not around when VAT was paid, i have original recieptsand being in jersey i was always going to have this problem, ican prove tax having been paid on entering jersey,
but not much else i can do ?
Chris_Robb
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Craig - the boat is exempt as older than 1985. I only mentioned VAT and residency just in case....
in Europe you will have 18 months, but just be wary about residency in Europe. I doubt if you will have a problem as you will be moving on.... However Its only exempt in the customs zone you are in - Channel Islands...
Tranona
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VAT is irrelevant in this situation - pre 1985 or not. It is a third country boat for both the UK and the EU just the same as it always has been even when the UK was in the EU
CraigandHan
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Tranona,
could you explain a bit please?I still thought over 18 months in europe and i thought i would have to pay like chris says, is that right?
cheers chris, any input is helpful!
could you explain a bit please?I still thought over 18 months in europe and i thought i would have to pay like chris says, is that right?
cheers chris, any input is helpful!
AndersG
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A boat is deemed to be VAT paid if it was built before 1985 and was in the EU on 1 January 1993. In theory you are supposed to be able to prove that the boat was in the EU on 1 January 1993 but I've never heard of anyone being asked.
Tranona
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Yes that is correct, but the pre 1985 bit is irrelevant unless the boat was in the EU. If your boat is a third country boat then VAT would be due if you exceeded the 18 months TA, and unless it was a boat of a type that was shown to have been in service in the EU pre 1997 it would also require certification. In other words treated as a new import.
It really does not make sense to import a 1980 boat into the EU as if you are cruising it is not difficult to arrange you plans so that you stay no longer than 18 months, leave the EU and restart another 18 months. People have been doing this for years from US, Down under and Switzerland .
As I understand it your plans are to cruise Europe for a bit and then maybe head west. If that is the case TA should not be a restriction with a third country boat, but Schengen might be for you.
AngusMcDoon
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More than 6 months in France is counted as residency. Residents cannot use the Temporary Admission scheme for their boat, so it becomes liable to VAT. France do a tourist visa up to 12 months duration, but you will become resident after 6 months, so it's not much use for UK boaters. Beyond 6 months you also have to arrange private health care, and that's expensive. The best you can do at the moment is 6 months France, 3 months somewhere else in Schengen, and 3 months out of Schengen, then repeat the following year. Also move your boat somewhere out of the EU for at least a day before the 18 months TA is up.
Graham376
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What is the long stay visa with "residence permit exemption”? Does that not rule out becoming automatically resident?
