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ChromeDome said:
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I did say "different engine to Chrome Dome linked to earlier", you linked to 2701c & 2712e pics show fuel pump at front with water pump at front below it. My link Ford 4D, 4D Mark II & Ebro 4D Mark II Diesel Engine (E1A, ET?, 954E, 562E, 530E & 592E) - everythingaboutboats.org is for earlier engine with fuel pump on a shaft towards the rear with what looks like a rev counter cable comming out of the rear of the pump, thats where superheat has a raw water pump.
 
I think the pump is Jabsco 777-9001 pedestal mounted, but the pump would need to be removed and measured against the drawings to confirm. There is a fresh impeller on board so hopefully the issue is just the impeller, but I did try sealing the pump with a small qty of oil poured in through the outlet, but this would not make the pump prime, but the oil didn't run through, suggesting the impeller is intact, so it is possible the shaft has broken inside, or ripped out the steel core of the impeller.

Annoying for me, but presently this is the Vendor's problem, and beyond assisting with identifying the parts, I cannot myself get involved with the fix because until the sea trial is concluded I will not accept the boat, and the sea trial cannot take place until the stbd engine works including the cooling water system.

So having agreed a price, sided a contract (with right to reject) and remitted my deposit and for a boat I really do want to buy, how long is reasonable to wait for the engine to be fixed. The alternative is I accept the boat without sea trial, and fix it myself, but not without a further game of financial hardball.
 
Both parties have an interest in keeping repair costs to the minimum, consonant with a repair to your satisfaction.

Could you both agree a choice of engineer, with full transparency of costs ? Perhaps you might offer to cover the first hundred as an incentive to the vendor ? One problem might be finding an engineer with a free diary for anything between 1 day and upwards.

Or find a replacement engine from somewhere, but not disclose to the seller, and go for a reduction in the purchase price that covers the new engine and installation. Then fix the problem motor at your own pace and sell it ? Serious impact on the cash flow though.
 
When I bought SpottyDog, I knew about a diesel return feed leak, We agreed a £2k retention to cover the remedial costs. Worked well for us, I took home and sorted the issue.
 
sarabande said:
Both parties have an interest in keeping repair costs to the minimum, consonant with a repair to your satisfaction.

Could you both agree a choice of engineer, with full transparency of costs ? Perhaps you might offer to cover the first hundred as an incentive to the vendor ? One problem might be finding an engineer with a free diary for anything between 1 day and upwards.

Or find a replacement engine from somewhere, but not disclose to the seller, and go for a reduction in the purchase price that covers the new engine and installation. Then fix the problem motor at your own pace and sell it ? Serious impact on the cash flow though.
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If he sends the last idiot I will throw him in !

A base requirement of any marine engineer starting any diesel engine, indeed anyone starting any marine diesel engine is 1 - Check oil pressure and 2 Check for cooling water flow. If your engineer does not do this EVERY time then he is an incompetent idiot and worthy of being literally thrown in as he leaves your vessel.

In regard to throwing in £100, so today I have driven 50 miles to see an engine reported as working unable to be regarded as usable, not a vendor in sight, and a rather embarrassed broker, apologising for the inconvenience - why on Earth do I want to pay him £100 ?
 
This is where the broker should earn his keep and organise the engine fix. The contract is subject to sea trial so nothing happens until the boat is in a condition to conduct the trial. Problem is likely to be finding somebody competent to do the job at this time of year.
 
Trev, I'll call you back in the morning.

Oddly, it does not look like any 4d, or Dorset or Dover as I know them, but I think Lehmans were a USA as so may well be quite different to the Mermaid and Sabre I'm familiar with.
 
I think the vendor should have been there with the Broker. Either agree a big reduction in price and fix it yourself or you might have to wait a while I fear
 
burgundyben said:
Trev, I'll call you back in the morning.

Oddly, it does not look like any 4d, or Dorset or Dover as I know them, but I think Lehmans were a USA as so may well be quite different to the Mermaid and Sabre I'm familiar with.
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It would seem that it is a 2711E out of the Dagenham plant. The low diesel pump placement and the time cover gave it away.


 
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superheat6k said:
Well almost had a sea trial !

No water flow from the stbd engine. Look like the impeller, but possibly the drive shaft.

So can someone provide some advice please.

The pump is a jabsco with a common range impeller, but access to the cover plate is partially obscured by two of the cover screws being hard up against the engine flywheel cast housing.

I assume to remove this the mount bolts are undone, but it looks like the injection pump has to be at least loosened, if not entirely removed too.

Does anyone know where I might find a parts manual to identify the drive shaft inside the Jabsco pump.

The engine did start so not the injection pump, which drives the water pump.

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I'm wondering if the two (m8 or m10) nut and bolts were removed, the pump assembly could be pushed back into the injection pump. Also, the white coloured washer (plastic?) could that be split washer that could be hooked out?
 
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