Sybarite
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I might be happier knowing that there were three boats looking for me rather than one.
If I were an RNLI donor I would not be happy.
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I might be happier knowing that there were three boats looking for me rather than one.
King Penguin
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Staff numbers depend on how many boats are operational, without this info your comparison is meaningless.
Emjaytoo
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I am an RNLI donor and I am very happy. I keep my boat in Dutch waters and never go in British waters. I am a subscriber to the KNRM, BUT I still support the RNLI. A fantastic organisation, amazing volunteers and I believe considered to be the "Gold Standard" by the rest of the world. That's British for you! (Apologies to all the Irish Crews/Volunteers)
Sybarite
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I have already stated that in terms of size the services are largely comparable. In fact most of the French salaried persons are the mechanics who service the boats.
To say that comparing 70 employees with 1691 is meaningless, frankly amazes me.
Sybarite
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I am pointing out that another model giving better value for money is available - which many donors may not be aware of.
I am not criticising, never have and never would the magnificent efforts made by the crews and the volunteers.
You don't appear to have taken into consideration my remark that maybe if the two organisations got together to compare notes and jointly develop boats, you might getter better bang for your buck.
GuyS.
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Sybarite, please let it go. The world is full of disgruntled ex pats who move abroad and then try to justify their decision by constantly picking holes in their native country. So the French SNSM is a more efficient organisation. Whoppie do 
King Penguin
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Largely comparable?
lustyd
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If the French want our advanced boat designs, they can bloody well buy them!
The argument that the French boat is bigger and goes further is meaningless. Is a 40' Jeanneau automatically better than a 36' Hallberg-Rassy? Just because something is big and cheap doesn't make it value for money. As an offshore member I'm perfectly happy with the difference in cost and value having inspected the RNLI boats and crew at the boat show every year.
As for salary, regardless of whether they are above or below market rate, research has shown countless times that charities have considerably better income when they have professional management. Unfortunately, that has to be paid for to get good skills.
Sybarite
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Have you examined a French boat? How can you conclude that you are perfectly happy with the difference if you have not done so? I have and they are beautifully built. I also know some who crew them. After all, France has a reputation for building strong offshore boats and don't bring up that old Bénéteau / Jeanneau story again. You would think that that's all that is built in France.
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If they followed the French model they would function on one tenth of the amount.
Sybarite
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Sybarite, please let it go. The world is full of disgruntled ex pats who move abroad and then try to justify their decision by constantly picking holes in their native country. So the French SNSM is a more efficient organisation. Whoppie do
That is just frankly insulting.
Koeketiene
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Truth be known, the RNLI is awash with money and needs to 'waste' large sums of money (expensive launches, posh HQ, large numbers of salaried staff, ...) or risk losing its charitable status.
GuyS.
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I'm sure you'll get over it.
Sybarite
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Sybarite
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Reserves of £550m ...
Correction that was for 2010. In fact in 2011 the reserves were increased by £29million. Good trading result...!!!
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King Penguin
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So largely comparable means:
- SNSM call outs = 2816
- RNLI call outs = 8905 + RNLI Lifeguards call outs (included in RNLI costs) = 15,625 (8,905+15,625= 24,530)
Basically the RNLI deals with almost 10 times as many call outs and incidents.
mmmmmm...........not largely comparable at all is old chap,
Secondly, staff numbers
SNSM has approx 1,200 paid staff and has 5,800 volunteers, so your figure of 70 is slightly off the mark in my opinion!
RNLI has approx 1,300 paid staff and 40,000 volunteers, so you over-estimated this as well.
All the above information is freely available on the web.
So, what you were saying was completely inaccurate.....argument ended.
maxi77
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But the new boats the Froggies are building will also cost 1.5M and are not suitable for carriage launch. Are you suggesting the RNLI should only lauch at high tide?
Sybarite
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French fleet approx 600 boats. RNLI 440 boats
SNSM fleet models
http://www.snsm.org/presentation-de-la-flotte
RNLI fleet models
http://rnli.org/aboutus/lifeboatsandstations/lifeboats/Pages/The-fleet.aspx
The new 17m80 all weather French boat with the latest technologies costs €1.5 miilion.
http://www.snsm.org/flotte/le-futur-canot-tous-temps
The RNLI Severn class (same size) costs £2million.
1300 hp and 2300 hp respectively; same speed.
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King Penguin
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As we have all now found out that your figures for employees were completely inaccurate and paid employees numbers were similar, SNSM paid employees = 1,200, RNLI paid employees = 1,300, but the RNLI had 10 times as many call outs and incidents compared to SNSM.
We also found out that your boat building costs were also inaccurate, the above stat is meaningless without knowing the number of all big weather boats in each service (ie, the big expensive ones to build and run).
Don't tell me they are just 'largely comparable'...........because, as we've seen, your largely comparable comparisons have so far been laughably inaccurate......
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Sybarite
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The SNSM have different vessels adapted to the local environment in which they operate; as has the RNLI. See post #57
TeamSpirit
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Good Points well made.
To externally procure any item, or in this case vessels it may well prove cheaper externally but you will not be able to aquire the specialist product, and lets face it the new vessels are pretty specialist without significant additional costs. Keeping in house whether we like it or not reduces costs, something our government will learn in about five years time when all their outsourcing comes acropper and they realise things are failing.
I am a RNLI governer member, am more than satisfied with their organisational structures, costs and salaries and speak from expereince having worked in the third sector for twenty years having held senior (paid positions) at 'market rates' ! oh the shame of being paid for the work you do !
Some forumites perhaps need to reflect on the real world, and check their facts prior to being overly, and unnecessarily critical!