Danny_Labrador
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Not making a point about suitability but the RNLI site is worth a look and the video of Shannon - On-board View of Rough Trials is good viewing.
If I were an RNLI donor I would not be happy.
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Chrusty 1
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Got a link, all I get is the map of the Med?
Just don't understand the whinging gits on here who are always mumbling on about the RNLI.........
They should be bloody grateful that it exists!!!
If it depended on funding from the current bunch of tw@ts in Downing street, it wouldn't exist.
One thing I am certain of, if the detractors were floundering around in the freezing briny, and the old blue and orange came and scooped them up, they wouldn't give a rats ass about their petty whinges then.
I wonder sometimes what the RNLI crews think when they read some of the bollix tapped out on here? Some of them are full time fishermen, who also have to bear the brunt of yotty angst within these pages.
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viago
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i wouldn't worry too much, i dont think fishermen can read.
well, if their understanding of colregs is anything to go by.
sorry op, t.d.
Danny_Labrador
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rhinorhino
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Another waste, look at what the RNLI sell their boats at compared to building costs for their gold-plated vessels.
BobnLesley
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Actually, to me it looks cheap at those price...
"from the 2011 accounts - The following number of employees received emoluments in excess of £60,000:
Number
£60,000–£69,999 20
£70,000–£79,999 14
£80,000–£89,999 3
£90,000–£99,999 1
£100,000–£109,999 1
£110,000–£119,999 2
£120,000–£129,999 2
£130,000–£139,999 1 "
Given the size/complexity/turnover/operations area of the RNLI as an organisation and assuming that the £130-140k salary is going to their MD/Chief Exec. I reckon that he could probably be earning far more elsewhere for doing a similar job. Looking at the rest of the figures on the list too, it strikes me that their Directors, Department-Heads, Professional Fundraisers and the like are all earning salaries at or even below, the current 'market-rate'.
"from the 2011 accounts - The following number of employees received emoluments in excess of £60,000:
Number
£60,000–£69,999 20
£70,000–£79,999 14
£80,000–£89,999 3
£90,000–£99,999 1
£100,000–£109,999 1
£110,000–£119,999 2
£120,000–£129,999 2
£130,000–£139,999 1 "
Given the size/complexity/turnover/operations area of the RNLI as an organisation and assuming that the £130-140k salary is going to their MD/Chief Exec. I reckon that he could probably be earning far more elsewhere for doing a similar job. Looking at the rest of the figures on the list too, it strikes me that their Directors, Department-Heads, Professional Fundraisers and the like are all earning salaries at or even below, the current 'market-rate'.
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Searush
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You just have no idea, do you? I did point out that it is a fully submersible tractor & turntable unit capable of operating off beaches at any state of the tide over mud, sand or shingle. It is not just a trailer, and I suspect you are entirely clear about that but choose to tell lies to discredit them. It actually discredits you.
And the salaries? Compare them with any equivalent large company & I think you will find they are below average for the responsibilities undertaken. So stop your petty mis-information & try doing something useful for a change.
The RNLI are not above criticism, but it does need to be honest, true & reasonable if it is to help improve them. Your childish rants appear to be far from that. What did the RNLI do to you to be dissed in this manner?
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Chrusty 1
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I know what they should do to him, hopefully just when he needs them most!
King Penguin
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This thread started 'if I were a donor', well shame on him, I can't believe that any yachty would NOT want to donate, quite frankly.
Without doubt the RNLI is one of the best equiped rescue services in the world and the crews (not all volunteers, but most) are some of the best trained in the world; and they risk their lives in the seas around the UK, which are some of the most treacherous in the world (I'm not talking the Solent here)......and it doesn't cost the UK tax payer a penny.........or even the people being rescued.
Can you imagine what it would be like if was run by a government department? As good......I think not.
Communities around the UK find their lifeboat stations focus and galvanize community spirit within them, even though many of them have poor economic opportunities, much poverty and are unable to get on the property ladder due to inflated prices caused by second home ownership.
Perhaps some of our other emergency services, eg, the Fire Service could be run under the same model.........
Firstly, it would save the Gov. an awful lot of money in equipment, property, salaries, etc, etc,.........and the huge cost of 'early retirement' on dubious health grounds which has been endemic in the service in recent years.
There would be NO strikes or threat of strikes and it would provide a positive focus for inner-city communities, eg, the youf wouldn't throw stones at fire engines attending an emergency as their brothers, sisters, dads, uncles & aunties would be on the crew.....instead they'd be proudly polishing the darn things and collecting donations!
What a marvelous world it would be......
Without doubt the RNLI is one of the best equiped rescue services in the world and the crews (not all volunteers, but most) are some of the best trained in the world; and they risk their lives in the seas around the UK, which are some of the most treacherous in the world (I'm not talking the Solent here)......and it doesn't cost the UK tax payer a penny.........or even the people being rescued.
Can you imagine what it would be like if was run by a government department? As good......I think not.
Communities around the UK find their lifeboat stations focus and galvanize community spirit within them, even though many of them have poor economic opportunities, much poverty and are unable to get on the property ladder due to inflated prices caused by second home ownership.
Perhaps some of our other emergency services, eg, the Fire Service could be run under the same model.........
Firstly, it would save the Gov. an awful lot of money in equipment, property, salaries, etc, etc,.........and the huge cost of 'early retirement' on dubious health grounds which has been endemic in the service in recent years.
There would be NO strikes or threat of strikes and it would provide a positive focus for inner-city communities, eg, the youf wouldn't throw stones at fire engines attending an emergency as their brothers, sisters, dads, uncles & aunties would be on the crew.....instead they'd be proudly polishing the darn things and collecting donations!
What a marvelous world it would be......
Sybarite
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maxi77
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Here in Portugal the Bombieros (firemen) are volunteers in this area. They also provide the ambulance service too.
Sybarite
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The speed difference is about 3 knts; the 18knts quoted was with respect to the range of 360nm.
I wonder with storm force wind and waves breaking on a shore would a 2' difference in draft make that much difference? Anyway the French boat carries a 3m80 RIB for that sort of situation.
And you could do a lot with the extra £1m, two more boats for instance.
GuyS.
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There are very few organisations which I feel should be unaccountable, but the RNLI is one of them.
Frankly I don't care how agressive their marketing and fund raising techniques are or what they spend redecorating their shops.
So the boats they design themselves cost 3 times that the French use, whats your point caller ? I want the men and women who are prepared to risk their lives so we can all go out have fun and cock about in boats, to have the very best equipment available to them.
If the powers that be within the RNLI think spending £1.5m on an offshore rescue craft is the correct decision, good on them, I'll happily send you a few quid to get it made.
To complain about the salaries that members of staff within this organisation receive simply beggers belief. Its easy to be churlish sitting safely on your sofa, lets see if you still think the same if your yacht is ever knocked down and you have to reach for channel 16.
Sybarite hang your head in shame, stop complaining about the corporate inefficiencies and send them some money.
Frankly I don't care how agressive their marketing and fund raising techniques are or what they spend redecorating their shops.
So the boats they design themselves cost 3 times that the French use, whats your point caller ? I want the men and women who are prepared to risk their lives so we can all go out have fun and cock about in boats, to have the very best equipment available to them.
If the powers that be within the RNLI think spending £1.5m on an offshore rescue craft is the correct decision, good on them, I'll happily send you a few quid to get it made.
To complain about the salaries that members of staff within this organisation receive simply beggers belief. Its easy to be churlish sitting safely on your sofa, lets see if you still think the same if your yacht is ever knocked down and you have to reach for channel 16.
Sybarite hang your head in shame, stop complaining about the corporate inefficiencies and send them some money.
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Sybarite
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I opened making the pouint that my comments were not directed at crews and volunteers.
What I am saying is that the French provide essentially the same services and the shouts and lives saved are in the same ball-park. They do this with an operating budget which is about 10% that of the RNLI.
They do it without paying a central adminstration of 42 people being paid more than £60k and by building very efficient boats which cost a third of the nearest RNLI equivalent. Who wants a Rolls Royce if a Ford does the job adequately?
Sybarite
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French boats have the same requirements.
That is a perfectly reasoned point of view. As long as you know what you are contributing for and that other models exist.
Sybarite
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If you believe that you will believe anything.
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Chrusty 1
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What's it to you, according to your profile you live in France but you whinge on about a British rescue service that most of us are very happy with and speaking for myself, very proud of!
To be honest, I am starting to find your posts on this a tad offensive.
Seaduck
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If your up to your neck in the stormy Atlantic, with your boat decending to the depths, would you really care how much the lifeboat coming to get you cost...
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Sybarite
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As I'm a French resident, my donations are here. I would have thought that any donor would want to know that his or her donation was being effectively used. In France the service, including the administration, is on a volunteer basis.
What is the basis for your belief that they are better trained than the French?
Equipment : is more expensive better or would better be having three times more for the same price?