toad_oftoadhall
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None the less, post a link to the original offer - I'd like to see it.
ICC for caostal waters?
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None the less, post a link to the original offer - I'd like to see it.
Marsupial
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Back to Business Guys!
I set sail for Greece at the end of this month this is the information I have been given on the subject of paper work requirements to enter. It states quite clearly that the skipper needs an ICC, dont know what will happen if I turn up without one, dont want to find out.
Customs & port police
When entering Greece all yachts must clear with port authority, customs and health as well as immigration and currency control.
The ship's papers - including a passenger and crew list - will be inspected by the port authority, then customs will issue a transit log, renewable after six months but valid for one year. which allows the yacht to sailing in Greece. The transit log should be issued only to non-EU vessels, or to EU vessels wishing to purchase fuel at duty-free prices. At subsequent ports this transit log may be inspected by the port authority. When leaving Greece, the transit log is returned to customs.
Yachts must carry their original registration document and ship's radio licence and one member of the crew requires a certificate to operate the radio/VHF. For EU boats, proof of VAT status is also required. The original insurance certificate and a Greek translation showing third party insurance with the amounts in figures. The minimum amounts are 293470 EURO liability for death or injury by sinking, collision or other cause for crew and third parties, 146753 EURO for damage, 88041 EURO for pollution. The skipper must have an International Certificate of Competence.
The nights should be spent on board - and not in hotels inland for instance - if not, the harbour master and immigration should be notified. Individual passports are not stamped on entry into Greece by yacht, nor is this required for departure with the same yacht. However, if leaving by another means (by air), the stamps are required by immigration at the point of exit.
Fishing is only allowed with a snorkel at certain areas. Fishing with scuba gear is prohibited.
Also to protect archaeological sites, scuba diving is restricted. Permission should be sought locally.
You as the registered yacht owner should be on board. Yet, if a relative or friend fills in your place, make sure to ask the port police for the proper documentation.
I set sail for Greece at the end of this month this is the information I have been given on the subject of paper work requirements to enter. It states quite clearly that the skipper needs an ICC, dont know what will happen if I turn up without one, dont want to find out.
Customs & port police
When entering Greece all yachts must clear with port authority, customs and health as well as immigration and currency control.
The ship's papers - including a passenger and crew list - will be inspected by the port authority, then customs will issue a transit log, renewable after six months but valid for one year. which allows the yacht to sailing in Greece. The transit log should be issued only to non-EU vessels, or to EU vessels wishing to purchase fuel at duty-free prices. At subsequent ports this transit log may be inspected by the port authority. When leaving Greece, the transit log is returned to customs.
Yachts must carry their original registration document and ship's radio licence and one member of the crew requires a certificate to operate the radio/VHF. For EU boats, proof of VAT status is also required. The original insurance certificate and a Greek translation showing third party insurance with the amounts in figures. The minimum amounts are 293470 EURO liability for death or injury by sinking, collision or other cause for crew and third parties, 146753 EURO for damage, 88041 EURO for pollution. The skipper must have an International Certificate of Competence.
The nights should be spent on board - and not in hotels inland for instance - if not, the harbour master and immigration should be notified. Individual passports are not stamped on entry into Greece by yacht, nor is this required for departure with the same yacht. However, if leaving by another means (by air), the stamps are required by immigration at the point of exit.
Fishing is only allowed with a snorkel at certain areas. Fishing with scuba gear is prohibited.
Also to protect archaeological sites, scuba diving is restricted. Permission should be sought locally.
You as the registered yacht owner should be on board. Yet, if a relative or friend fills in your place, make sure to ask the port police for the proper documentation.
Sailfree
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When someone offers to buy me an evening meal I usually say words like "yes please" and "thanks a lot"
I have publically offered and I expect a simple yes or no in reply not "post a link!"
toad_oftoadhall
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Post a link!
toad_oftoadhall
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There's no such thing. You could use a recept to prove 'VAT' was paid to the firm who built the boat but there's no way of proving that VAT was paid by that firm to the Government.
I think the whole VAT think is an urban myth. I'd be interested in evidence to the contrary.
I also think you do not need an ICC for Greece. I'd be interested in evidence to the contrary.
bendyone
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Mind you if someone offered me a meal with the intention of trying to get me banged up for the night I would try to find any excuse to get out of it
toad_oftoadhall
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Mind you if someone offered me a meal with the intention of trying to get me banged up for the night I would try to find any excuse to get out of it
LOL! I haven't seen the original offer yet but to be honest I'd be happy to fork out the fine if it meant I found out the details of the offence Sailfree is referring to is. However, like most British sailors, I know Cherbourg well and if he thinks there will be someone there to administer this fine he's going to be mighty disappointed!
I'm still interested in seeing the original offer.
Sybarite
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The two first cases - interesting
1) a cadet, against company procedures, dumps garbage overboard and is dismissed. The company is nevertheless fined £10000.
2) A captain drunk in charge of a 2000 ton vessel grounds it. He is fined £400.
And the justice in all that?
1) a cadet, against company procedures, dumps garbage overboard and is dismissed. The company is nevertheless fined £10000.
2) A captain drunk in charge of a 2000 ton vessel grounds it. He is fined £400.
And the justice in all that?
Stork_III
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Doghousekeeper
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So .... sholuld I take that as an apology then?? I'm never sure with your peculiar style of posting on here
toad_oftoadhall
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Tranona
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Toad
I am becoming more convinced as time goes on that you are suffering from dyslexia in addition to a limited intellect (the two are not necessarily connected). You are certainly incapable of reading and understanding simple English. Nowhere have I said that you need an ICC to sail in Greece. Indeed I have clearly stated that Greece is not a signatory to the UN resolution and does not recognise the ICC. Nor does Greece require visiting yachtsmen to have any certificate of competence. It does however require skippers of Greek registered boats to be able to demonstrate competence, and that an ICC is accepted in practice (among other documents) when getting an official permit to skipper a Greek charter yacht.
Your limited intellect clearly prevents you from recogniising the many ambiguities that exist in this man made world of ours. This also leads you to seem to want to lay the blame for your own uncertainties and lack of understanding on other people or organisations.
This attitude appears to make no contribution to anyone else's understanding of the issues which is why you seem to get up everybody's nose!
toad_oftoadhall
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So when I said you don't need an ICC to sail in Greece I was 100 per cent correct not "partially correct".
I already knew that, of course!
I think this attitude has made a massive contribution. For years you have said there's a law requiring British yachts in France to have original SSR and that there's a fixed penalty option. I never let that rest asking again and again for your evidence. Yes, there's no doubt my approach got up your nose. It even got up other people's noses, but it did eventually work. In the end you admitted the only evidence you'd ever had was an unspecified 2002 magazine article and the apocraphal claims that come up verbally from time to time. I'd say that did massively contribute to my understanding and others. So it was worth challenging your claims even though requests for your sources annyoyed you. (Of course it wasn't just you who was annoyed - remember when you sent me on a 60 mile winter wild goose chase to pick up an article you claimed listed the full details of the fixed penalty?)
A similar approach of repeatedly asking for evidence sorted out the VAT myth. (In as much as you can prove a negative.)
In this very thread you have claimed that it's only partially correct to say an ICC is not required in Greece. I pushed back against that claim and you've totally retracted it.
So yes, there will never be a day when I do not do my best to hunt down evidence for the things in life that interest me. It does annoy emotional (as opposed to evidence based) thinkers on forums, but I'll live with that.
I could be wrong but I wonder if you aren't digressing just a tiny bit???
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Mrs Sea Mist II
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Yikes, bit heavy isn't it? Anyway, who was it who said you don't need the ignore button in Scuttlebutt?
Have a nice day guys
Have a nice day guys
JayBee
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Aren't you the guy who claimed to represent the views of 99% of people in another thread? Be interesting to see the evidence for that.
Tranona
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Oh dear Toad!
Here we go again. Nowhere have I retracted anything. I have merely restated what I have said in the hope that you will actual read and understand it, instead of only seemingly reading what you want to read.
One of the signs of dyslexia is an inability to decipher the written word. Given that you constantly ignore what people write if it does not accord with your view of the world it is not unreasonable to think that you might have the condition!
Here we go again. Nowhere have I retracted anything. I have merely restated what I have said in the hope that you will actual read and understand it, instead of only seemingly reading what you want to read.
One of the signs of dyslexia is an inability to decipher the written word. Given that you constantly ignore what people write if it does not accord with your view of the world it is not unreasonable to think that you might have the condition!
Sailfree
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For those that have followed previous threads on having originals of the ships papers on board I have just received a PM from an embarrassed person who informs me that the fine was 150Euro for only having a photocopy and they were inspected by the gendarmes in St Vaast.
I have previously posted I have seen a skipper in Carteret taken to the cash point to pay his fine. In 12 yrs I have only seen these inspections on 2 occassions once in Treburden and once in Carteret and hundreds of charter yacht trips are made top France every year with only photocopies of the ships registration and ships receipt showing VAT paid - so the risk of an inspection is very low but some do get caught out so if you can comply I advise that you do rather than try to stand on your rights as British on a British flagged ship as some would advise!
I have previously posted I have seen a skipper in Carteret taken to the cash point to pay his fine. In 12 yrs I have only seen these inspections on 2 occassions once in Treburden and once in Carteret and hundreds of charter yacht trips are made top France every year with only photocopies of the ships registration and ships receipt showing VAT paid - so the risk of an inspection is very low but some do get caught out so if you can comply I advise that you do rather than try to stand on your rights as British on a British flagged ship as some would advise!
Sailfree
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Mind you if someone offered me a meal with the intention of trying to get me banged up for the night I would try to find any excuse to get out of it
Providing Toady attends he should not get banged up providing he is more polite to the Gendarmes than he is on this forum. It would cost him a 150Euro fine and me approx 40Euro for his meal and wine. I hope he may be a completely different character that he portrays on here and may even surprise me but most likely he is a person you see in words never in the flesh!
bendyone
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Sailfree
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Yes as explained in my post 2 above yours.
The main point of all these discussions/advice is a) to clarify for less experienced people and b) ensure the sensible advice outnumbers the trolls misleading advice.