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timbartlett
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Straight from the RYA public website:
Straight off the application form:
Damn cunning of them to conceal it like that!
ICC for caostal waters?
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Straight from the RYA public website:
Damn cunning of them to conceal it like that!
Doghousekeeper
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But a powerboat ticket isn't any good if you're sailing. The ICC specifies what type of boating competence it recognises. When it's issued (by RYA, BSAC or whoever) they will match the competence evidence that you present to them and issue you an ICC with the appropriate boxes ticked for;
- inland (need CEVNI) or coastal
- power or sail
- and, I think, also the size of boat. Either up to 10m or up to 24m
tel1
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Quote from reeds almanac page 24 point 2.1.
an icc is valid for 5 years, its required in most european countries, especially thoses whose inland waterways are to be cruised. it can be indorsed for COASTAL, inland, power and sail. or all four.
so all of you who said no you dont, yes you do. its in black and white, or blue and white on that page.
i got mine when i was going to france, the instructor asked me if i had an icc or dayskipper? i had neither, he said i need one or the other otherwise i risk a fine from the french. i soon got my icc done.
an icc is valid for 5 years, its required in most european countries, especially thoses whose inland waterways are to be cruised. it can be indorsed for COASTAL, inland, power and sail. or all four.
so all of you who said no you dont, yes you do. its in black and white, or blue and white on that page.
i got mine when i was going to france, the instructor asked me if i had an icc or dayskipper? i had neither, he said i need one or the other otherwise i risk a fine from the french. i soon got my icc done.
sailorman
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ICC Is NOT repeat NOT Required for Coastal in France.
FROM the RYA web Site
In very general terms an ICC is required for the inland waterways of Europe and for inland and coastal waters of Mediterranean countries. For the coastal waters of Northern Europe the ICC is generally not required
only get one if it help ones nervous disposition
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Doghousekeeper
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I thin you need to consider your definition of "coastal". If you're simply transitting the coastal waters, I agree with you.
However, if you're operating out of harbours that may have their own bye-laws, or if you want to charter a boat from an operator at a coastal venue ... you may well find that they do ask for ICC. Charterers make up their own rules, quite rightly, and they are entitled to ask you to prove that their boat will be safe with you. More and more are asking for proof, and ICC is often what they want.
However, if you're operating out of harbours that may have their own bye-laws, or if you want to charter a boat from an operator at a coastal venue ... you may well find that they do ask for ICC. Charterers make up their own rules, quite rightly, and they are entitled to ask you to prove that their boat will be safe with you. More and more are asking for proof, and ICC is often what they want.
sailorman
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in 35 yrs of sailing in coastal waters of Northern Europe i have yet to be asked, if i ever am i dont have one
Robin
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The amount of hysteria and/or paranoia on here about the need for ICCs for visting France is incredible.
My view is:-
You do NOT need an ICC to take your own boat to France unless you intend going into their inland waters and even then not unless you go beyond the lower parts like above La Roche Bernard or Redon on the Villaine via the Arzal Dam or above Dinan inside the barrier at St Malo.
You might well need an ICC or similar to charter a boat in France, that is an entirely different matter and there may be different rules or just at the insistence of the charter company.
I have no idea why Jersey sailing schools say Jersey people need an ICC to visit France, maybe it is because they often go inland through the barrier at St Malo or maybe because they are chartered boats not private or maybe they are drumming up business.
I'm all for carrying all the required documentation and being aware that other countries may have different rules, but we are obliged to comply only with our own rules as a British Registered Vessel.
For the record, I DO have an ICC and have had one for maybe 25 years. I have NEVER EVER been asked to show one in French waters and we have been boarded many many times over many many years and many hundreds of visits. I have by contrast been asked for the Registration Papers EVERY time we have been boarded, both at sea and in harbours.
My view is:-
You do NOT need an ICC to take your own boat to France unless you intend going into their inland waters and even then not unless you go beyond the lower parts like above La Roche Bernard or Redon on the Villaine via the Arzal Dam or above Dinan inside the barrier at St Malo.
You might well need an ICC or similar to charter a boat in France, that is an entirely different matter and there may be different rules or just at the insistence of the charter company.
I have no idea why Jersey sailing schools say Jersey people need an ICC to visit France, maybe it is because they often go inland through the barrier at St Malo or maybe because they are chartered boats not private or maybe they are drumming up business.
I'm all for carrying all the required documentation and being aware that other countries may have different rules, but we are obliged to comply only with our own rules as a British Registered Vessel.
For the record, I DO have an ICC and have had one for maybe 25 years. I have NEVER EVER been asked to show one in French waters and we have been boarded many many times over many many years and many hundreds of visits. I have by contrast been asked for the Registration Papers EVERY time we have been boarded, both at sea and in harbours.
tel1
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ICC Is NOT repeat NOT Required for Coastal in France.
FROM the RYA web Site
In very general terms an ICC is required for the inland waterways of Europe and for inland and coastal waters of Mediterranean countries. For the coastal waters of Northern Europe the ICC is generally not required
only get one if it help ones nervous disposition
Not really nervous disposition, i only had competant crew so it was a bonus me getting it really. all sailing quals a rather pointless, unless you intend to use them for work reasons.
Bosun Higgs
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During one instructor conference I asked the same question. The answer from the RYA was that the ICC provided both a photograph and a foreign language translation whereas the Yachtmaster did not. The answer to why the YM cert didnt do either was obvious.
I've little doubt that a reasonable overseas official would accept a YM cert if he knew what he was looking at and who it belonged to.
Babylon
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Unless you were born in an anchor-locker!
Qualifications (especially those like YM which are subject to an examination rather than just a course completion certificate) give plenty of leisure sailors a yardstick by which to measure their own knowledge and practical competence.
If a course participant is assessed to have reached a certain minimum level of ability by an instructor or if an exam is passed by an independent assessor, this gives people - especially relative newcomers to sailing who weren't born to sea - the confidence to gradually get out there and sail in conditions or undertake passages appropriate to their ability.
Sure, anyone is perfectly entitled to walk off a pontoon onto a boat and head off to sea as a private person without the slightest training but - given the bewildering complexity to a newbie of sailing, boat-handling, navigation, safety-at-sea - most would be fools to do so without some training.
In my opinion.
Sorry for the slight thread-drift, but I profoundly disagree. There are other good reasons apart from work why 'qualifications' are really useful.
Qualifications (especially those like YM which are subject to an examination rather than just a course completion certificate) give plenty of leisure sailors a yardstick by which to measure their own knowledge and practical competence.
If a course participant is assessed to have reached a certain minimum level of ability by an instructor or if an exam is passed by an independent assessor, this gives people - especially relative newcomers to sailing who weren't born to sea - the confidence to gradually get out there and sail in conditions or undertake passages appropriate to their ability.
Sure, anyone is perfectly entitled to walk off a pontoon onto a boat and head off to sea as a private person without the slightest training but - given the bewildering complexity to a newbie of sailing, boat-handling, navigation, safety-at-sea - most would be fools to do so without some training.
In my opinion.
Doghousekeeper
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"reasonable overseas official" ???????? What is one of those?
Doghousekeeper
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And mine.
It's all very well for someone with no experience to buy a boat and enjoy the freedom to head off to sea with no knowledge or training, but it doesn't exempt them from IRPCS or from being pursued by their insurers for negligence if they screw up.
With freedom come responsibility
toad_oftoadhall
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I learned sailing by going sailing. In hindsight I think it was by far the best way for me (and for all of my peers at the time).
Didn't do Chay Blyth any harm either. Or Reese Palley. In fact the list of great Sailors who did it that way is long and worthy.
If other people prefer to pay for qualifications that's great too.
snowleopard
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My YMO certificate (1994) has a photo. No reason why you couldn't get a translation to keep with it.
rallyveteran
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Available here:
http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/icc/certificatetranslations/Pages/default2.aspx
though I too have never had to show my YM certificate in 20 years of sailing abroad.
tel1
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Ok maybe i should of worded it better. There good for people who want them for work and for if they want to learn how to sail. In my case i was bought up on a boat, apparently i was in nappies in a nice force 7 heading to france. I feel safer on the water than i do land, so to me its all natural, hence why i see sailing quals a total waste of hundreds of pounds!
Hundreds of pounds that could be spent on something new for my boat!
Tranona
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As you have so much experience the ICC test should be no problem. I thoroughly enjoyed my test, particularly the tester's compliment about my boat handling skills (I have an underpowered wayward long keeler). To which I replied "If I don't know how to handle it after 23 years I should be shot!"
snowleopard
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That's the good news. The bad is that the format has changed since they issued mine so the pretty diagrams are no use
Do you think they'd print me one off in the new format? (and charge the equivalent of a year's membership I expect).
Bosun Higgs
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When I returned to motorbiking after a 20 year lay off I decided to get a refresher from the IAM. I was really very surprised by the amount of new stuff I learned and the number of faults that were corrected. If you havent done your YM practical I suspect you would find exactly the same thing. bad habits creep in unnoticed.
To put it another way, I feel and believe I am far safer with my son driving than my father in law despite the latter having 4 times as much experience.
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timbartlett
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The ICC is free to members, £40 to non members. Hardly "hundreds of pounds".