ICC for caostal waters?

chubby said:
What in all this has happened to the item of maritime law stating that the rules of the flag state not the port state apply to coastal if not inland waters?
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Presumably merely sailing in a country's coastal waters is not a problem, it is when one wishes to declare in and land that problems can arise. States can, and do, impose their own regulations on what is needed to navigate their waters, irrespective of the flagged yachts host regulations.

There have been many postings on this subject and I think that one by Tranona of this parish penned the definitive word here.
 
States can, and do, impose their own regulations on what is needed to navigate their waters, irrespective of the flagged yachts host regulations.


That's quite correct. When I bought my cruising permit off the Greek Coast Guard in Kalamata. I gave him my Insurance (Greek translation courtesy of Insurance company) and my SSR registration. I asked if he wanted anything else, he gave me a funny look and asked if I was interested in buying his house. I said, no I didn't want a house in Greece and he said it was a very nice house. And so ended the formalities on booking into Greece.

Right. I'm off to paint me Plimsoll Line...:D :D
 
ICC

toad_oftoadhall said:
Agree.

It drives me up the wall when people say "I was asked for.". It means nothing.

I was asked for a look at my Camera by a Spanish Policeman. Should we conclude from that that Camera's are compulsory in Spain?

As far as I know there is no law that requires sailors of your average 10m yacht to have an ICC in French coastal waters. If there is, then someone needs to produce it and the penalty for failing to have it so we all know.

The problem is that the oranization who should be publishing clear and detailed guidence on the topic of foreign law as it applies to yachtsmen is the RYA, yet they have a vested interest in keeping it as unclear as possible so they sell more qualifications.
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Toad

Before you start on about the RYA again. The information relating to countries that require the ICC is available in the members area on our website.

While we're at it, I have sent both you and Orbister dates when the relevant Managers were available for you both to come into RYA HQ to discuss any issues you have. To date neither of you have replied and those dates have now passed. BTW dates sent by email and PM 28/01/2010.

Andrew
 
chubby said:
What in all this has happened to the item of maritime law stating that the rules of the flag state not the port state apply to coastal if not inland waters? i.e. if the UK doesnt need an ICC then privately owned UK registered boats below a certain size, which rules out big ( super) yachts and comercial yachts, dont need an ICC to visit France, by the same token we dont need to comply with their rules on safety equipment: I would add that I do have and carry abroad an ICC and my yacht is equipped beyond the French safety requirements as most UK yachts would be
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Chubby - have a read of this
 
AndrewN said:
The information relating to countries that require the ICC is available in the members area on our website.
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Ok then. Don't be shy. Were the RYA course providers correct? Does an average 10m yacht require an ICC to travel to France?


AndrewN said:
While we're at it, I have sent both you and Orbister dates when the relevant Managers were available for you both to come into RYA HQ to discuss any issues you have. To date neither of you have replied and those dates have now passed. BTW dates sent by email and PM 28/01/2010.
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I've not had a PM or a mail from you. I can't easily prove I haven't had a mail, but I'm sure Dan will confirm there's been no PM.

I'm still 100pc available, even at short(ish) notice.
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
I've not had a PM or a mail from you. I can't easily prove I haven't had a mail, but I'm sure Dan will confirm there's been no PM.

I'm still 100pc available, even at short(ish) notice.
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No, I'm wrong. Sorry. Just checked my 'toad' mail account and there were, indeed, three mails.

No PM though.

I don't check the 'toad' mail so you do have to give me a heads up on YBW that a mail has been sent.
 
bendyone said:
I was told yesterday by 2 RYA training schools than you had to have an ICC even in coastal water outside of the UK.
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As a general statement, this is patently untrue. That is is partly correct does not matter. It is no more true than claiming traditional wooden sash windows are compulsory in the town in which I live. They are in a few streets (including my own), but not for most areas. Imagine the fuss that might result if a local joiner advertised with a similar claim.

Regardless of the 'convenience' of carrying an ICC certificate, recommended above and in numerous other threads about ICC, if the sailing schools in question are using this as a device to recruit custom, they are is doing so illegally. Trading standards would be interested to hear about it.
 
I'll try the question again....

Do ICCs issued in other countries expire after 5 years of is that just the ones issued by the RYA?

I got an ICC before we went on our Atlantic circuit but as I've never been asked for it I let it lapse after 5 years. My YM, obtained 16 years ago, is still current.
 
snowleopard said:
I'll try the question again....

Do ICCs issued in other countries expire after 5 years of is that just the ones issued by the RYA?

I got an ICC before we went on our Atlantic circuit but as I've never been asked for it I let it lapse after 5 years. My YM, obtained 16 years ago, is still current.
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I guess with your Ym you could just apply for a new ICC
 
Do I need this ICC thingy?

Morning,

I'd heard about the ICC, but thought that my Aussie issued RYA Yachtmaster was enough.

However in reading this thread, am I right in thinking I'll need to apply for an ICC for France etc etc etc? Or is my YM sufficient to flash when asked?

Thanks

Peter
 
snowleopard said:
I'll try the question again....

Do ICCs issued in other countries expire after 5 years of is that just the ones issued by the RYA?
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I don't know the answer to your question but I am damm glad you asked it. I just checked mine (RYA, that is) and it runs out in June - I would hate to go to France without it -]
 
" However in reading this thread, am I right in thinking I'll need to apply for an ICC for France etc etc etc? Or is my YM sufficient to flash when asked?"

If you want to go inland in France you need ICC + CEVNI. For Coastal waters and ports you are OK, though the YM won't count for anything.

You can find an ICC form here:

http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/icc/Pages/ICC.aspx

It says you need to be a UK citizen resident, and also has a contact for queries.

Re the 5 year renewal, a previous thread on the subject said it was a UN requirement, not the RYA.
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Skysail said:
If you want to go inland in France you need ICC + CEVNI. For Coastal waters and ports you are OK, though the YM won't count for anything.
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Strictly speaking the ICC includes CEVNI but the one you get from the RYA by showing a DS certificate is endorsed 'not for inland waterways'.
 
bendyone said:
Just read on the Jersey sail school site

If you sail or powerboat from Jersey and enter French and most European waters you must hold an International Certificate of Competence (ICC). The RYA is the UK issuing authority for the International Certificate of Competence (ICC).

If you are interested in taking your ICC (if you boat in French waters you must have) then please contact us by clicking here >>>
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What the RYA aren't telling you is, that if you have a RYA PowerBoat 2 ticket ~ just contact them and they will issue you with an ICC ticket.

BTW an ICC won't help you if you want to go "inland" in France, Belgium, Holland or Germany then you must have a CEVNI ticket.

Peter.
 
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