I think this is disgusting from a fellow boater

Just to add my bit, if we get rid of most of the Mobo,s in the UK, then we deprive the whole industry of what 30% of overall income, I don't know what the figures are. Surely this would result in marinas closing, maintenance firms going under etc etc. Boating for everyone in the UK would be adversely affected, is that what people want.
 
sailorman said:
The standard split is 60/40.
this has been stated by HMRC as the benchmark no quibble split, if you want to declare a higher % for domestic use then be prepared to prove that fact if questioned later by HMRC
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Given the supposed value of these wind farms, how about a new wind tax? Say, 52p per gust.
You get a 60/40 split if you use your engine on a sail a boat.
 
Perhaps someone can check out what the fine is for dumping red diesel in the harbour at Belgium.
The lesser of 2 evils. Fine for dumping, or fine for having red diesel?
May be they would soon get the message.
 
The Derogation

Just the normal chaos which ensues when some changes are made to a hangover from previous good intentioned legislation exploited by those it was not meant for ?

The derogation stems from the 1930s ?? when an attempt to encourage increased food production was vital and a tax break was given to farmers and fishermen.
It sort of limped on for 60 odd years with nobody minding to much if the odd lifeboat with its 4108 used a few whiffs of the stuff.
Then with increased personal wealth larger and larger boats start to appear with larger and more thirsty engines and who cares if your boat has got 2 x 480HP engines its only 10p or 20p a litre and slowly things start to change.
All of a sudden somebodies toy is consuming loads more red than Mr Farmers entire John Deere fleet.
Then we are asked to bring our rules into line with the rest of EU,the howls of anguish on here especially,were painful to witness,with dire predictions of boaty armageddon.
So HM try to fudge issue with 60/40 and hope issue would go away....suprise suprise it did not.
IMHO.
 
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kennythejoiner said:
Perhaps he is a secret Tory...;)
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Why be a closet Tory? i am one open and proud to say so.

Successive labour governments have ended, as all do and will do in the future given the chance, with our nation hanging on the precipice of bankrupcy by our fingertips, and treasury ministers leave messages 'Sorry no money left' for their successors!

In fact, I am not a Cameron fan, he is far to much of a wooly minded liberal, an appeaser of the Chambelain mold.
 
Do we deserve a subsidy? I think so. The extra jobs in boat-building, fixing etc and the revenue generated by marinas and people with money to spend in otherwise struggling coastal towns and villages almost certainly covers tenfold the cost to the public purse of rebating part of the duty on diesel used in connection with pleasure boats.

Certainly this is a point appreciated by successive French governments who have shamelessly offered subsidies to draw people into their waters, which they would happily categorise as navigable up to the point the stuff comes out of the tap if it suits their ends. Think of the VAT schemes promoted by France as one small example.

Is red diesel the right way to pump-prime the leisure marine? Probably not. If they want the high rollers to flash the cash in Cowes or Lymington then there are better ways.

But taxing us till the pips squeak is not the answer. And yet, as George Harrison observed:

"If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street.
If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet."
 
Once again we are at the mercy of the EU, after boating in and around the Solent last year in my opinion there were def not as many boats out there, id also back up 100% from the hour readings on my customers boats from last years service to this years service, owners have done a lot less mileage, some boats have done as little as 5 hours!

This future hike is just one more nail in the coffin, marinas are empty, there must be more boats for sale than ever before, why cant we get something positive for boaters instead of all this negativety over fuel prices, marina fees etc, I do wonder where it will all end up there will be a lot of floating caravans for sure.

What no one as far as im aware and maybe someone from the HM could actually produce some figures for the duty collected over the last 12 months that they can actually say " yes by introducing the extra vat and duty this is how much was contributed to the treasury" and most important of all how it was spent, which would probably wind everyone up on here as im sure it was wasted away just like everything else on paying out legal claims to foreigners put in jail that should have never been here in the first place, I could go on.

One other thing, if we cant go to Belguim because we dont pay the tax on fuel to cruise there waters then why dont the government tax EVERY foreign lorry that drivers on our roads as soon as they drive off the ferry, after all tax is tax and there not paying a penny, we pay road tax here so why shouldnt they?, the amount of foreign lorries on uk roads at any one time will far outweigh the amount of visiting uk boats to Belguim and beyond.

Moral is why dont we fight our corner.
 
"the amount of foreign lorries on uk roads at any one time will far outweigh the amount of visiting uk boats to Belguim and beyond."

What about all the UK lorries using foreign roads I wonder? Do you think that the British transport companies would enjoy paying extra tax in reciprocation?
 
Chrusty 1 said:
"the amount of foreign lorries on uk roads at any one time will far outweigh the amount of visiting uk boats to Belguim and beyond."

What about all the UK lorries using foreign roads I wonder? Do you think that the British transport companies would enjoy paying extra tax in reciprocation?
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Our lorries pay far higher fuel rates than foreign lorries, and most of the road they will drive on will have tolls, that they have to pay.

I am with Paul, if foreign lorries have more that a 1/4 of a tank they should be taxed at UK rates. And yes I know UK lorries leave the UK with lower fuel levels and fill up on the other side, but tolls cancel that one out....
 
I certainly want the 60/40 split.
However, I think that we have to accept driving a fuel hungy boat isnt a given right, and there is no reason it isnt going to be, and get more expensive. Yes, that might mean many people who get alot of pleasure from it, can no longer afford to do so. One day that might be me too.
I believe boaters do support industries from sole traders to large companies. Yet marinas are under pressure no doubt from H+E and enviromental issues, boaters are being squeezed from a number of directions.
I also suspect though, boating numbers have high and low points in the cycle. It seems pretty clear we have been through a boom where boats became more affordable to many for all sorts of reasons, and personally I think it is very sad when someone has to give up.
Maybe we will all end up drifting about in Gludy-style Cats;maybe the marinas will look like many French ones,filled with smaller peche-promenades. Maybe an economic recovery will burst new life into the boating world in UK.
Lets not forget how bad it is in UK PLC at the moment. I am not sure it is a nail in the coffin.People will always want to get to sea, and actually, I do believe people will always find a way to do so.
One a personal note, we are down at the weekends now geting the boat ready for another season. Despite the weather, we had an exciting season last year;we are very much looking forward to 2012.
Lets all cheer up a bit
Edit.. oops, I have just been tidying up the attic;)
 
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Vote UKIP - solve all our problems in one go!
I do and always will as a matter of conscience - you can't blame me for the troubles we are in, it's the rest of you!!!

(Will someone tell me how to put a slimey (sorry smiley) face on my posts please!)
 
gjgm said:
I certainly want the 60/40 split.
However, I think that we have to accept driving a fuel hungy boat isnt a given right, and there is no reason it isnt going to be, and get more expensive. Yes, that might mean many people who get alot of pleasure from it, can no longer afford to do so. One day that might be me too.
I believe boaters do support industries from sole traders to large companies. Yet marinas are under pressure no doubt from H+E and enviromental issues, boaters are being squeezed from a number of directions.
I also suspect though, boating numbers have high and low points in the cycle. It seems pretty clear we have been through a boom where boats became more affordable to many for all sorts of reasons, and personally I think it is very sad when someone has to give up.
Maybe we will all end up drifting about in Gludy-style Cats;maybe the marinas will look like many French ones,filled with smaller peche-promenades. Maybe an economic recovery will burst new life into the boating world in UK.
Lets not forget how bad it is in UK PLC at the moment. I am not sure it is a nail in the coffin.People will always want to get to sea, and actually, I do believe people will always find a way to do so.
One a personal note, we are down at the weekends now geting the boat ready for another season. Despite the weather, we had an exciting season last year;we are very much looking forward to 2012.
Lets all cheer up a bit !
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Excellent, gjgm. One question, tho': why would marinas be under pressure from a 1960s naturist magazine? :D
 
rubberduck said:
Just to add my bit, if we get rid of most of the Mobo,s in the UK, then we deprive the whole industry of what 30% of overall income, I don't know what the figures are. Surely this would result in marinas closing, maintenance firms going under etc etc. Boating for everyone in the UK would be adversely affected, is that what people want.
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That would be my argument. Cheaper fuel supports the UK boating industry which employs tens of thousands of people not to mention the fact that motorboat manufacturing is one of the few world class motorboating industries we have left. If you damage their home market, you damage their ability to export and, of course, that means job losses.
What this thread should be about is not the lower duty on red diesel but the excessively high duty on road diesel which also damages the economy but on a far larger scale. In all this talk about the upcoming budget, nobody has mentioned reducing road fuel duty as a way of putting more money in peoples' pockets and helping the economy. Perhaps it's time somebody did
 
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