I know its been said, many times many ways

[claymore]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Well, where do we start? Apart from a bit of sailing in a drascome lugger or something he hasn't really got much experience. Neither has the rest of his family. he has some notion of visiting his Mother in Sweden and the whole thing feels like its had the lightest of coats of common sense applied to it. The family is young and large so they've been forced to look for something that will accommodate them all. This has resulted in a focus on things like big Moody's because they are nice and beamy and everyone can have their own room. It'll be a whole load of fun when the kids start flying from one side of that to the other as they drop off waves in the North Sea. (Oh we never realised that could happen)
What about someone taking him on one side and suggesting he learns to sail first. Then buy an 18 ft dayboat and introduce the family to it and teach them to sail, in sheltered waters, then perhaps - if everyone thinks that this is a good idea and they all like sailing and its the way the family wants to go - ie if fits into their wider lifestyle - then look to buy something suitable then - and by that time they might have their own ideas of what suitable means - instead of everyone else's.
We already know that the Mother suffers badly from seasickness "but she is determined to overcome it" - well what if she doesn't and the kids are similarly afflicted and they all hate the bloody boat - good use of £60K wouldn't you think?
So, my comment stands - walk before you can run

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[jimi]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

It is possible that there are darker forces at work. Perhaps he know the missus will not like it but he gets a big boy's toy on the laudable excuse of "lets do something with the family" so stages in strategy are
1)Get boat and get family on it!
2)Family hate it
3)But I've got to use it now
4)Boy's weekends on boat sans famille .. nirvana for the henspeckled husband!

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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

hang on
claysie
why not go straight to big boat so all the family can go sailing
together and have their own space???
there is a risk with anything that it could not work out but i donot hold that your route is necessarrily better than any other route. it is just longer. everyone learns at different rates.
i met someone at the boat show last year my wife worked with ages ago. he has westerly on the welsh coast . i asked had he been to ireland yet. he looked at me with abject horror. ooh no we have only had it four years and the furthest we have been is port dinorwic. this is madness. some buffon having decided he did not have the ability to plan a crossing had convinced this guy not to bother. as a consequnce he spends his summer sailing round abersoch bay in a 35 ft westerly. rthen went on to say wife is getting bored.

agreed the guy in the article should get training but why not get trained with all his family on the boat they are going to sail. he will soon realise what he has let himself in for.

i donot hold with all this 20 years before the mast required before one can set foot outside the solent.

i think all he needs to do is get the boat get some training and he will soon realise how some of his ideas are over ambitious and either scale them down or get lots more experience and go and realise them.

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[claymore]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Sailbad - this is typical of your generation. Have it now, do it now, forget boundaries, apprenticeships, just another example of the microwave world of instant gratification - why I bet you even have a digital camera because you cannot be bothered to wait whilst the lady in Boots nips down to the darkroom and does her developing.
No good will come of this - mark my words
Have a good Christmas!

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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

i have a digital camera
so i can take photos that boots won't develop
not without the police alerting the farmer anyway /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

understand that the long route is better but that is not the world we live in. times move on not always for the better. i bet they said the same thing when some daft idiot started nailing sheds to yachts

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[claymore]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Jimi - again you demonstrate that low cunning not to be confused with intelligence. I for one would not be prepared to participate in any activity which Dear Heart did not enjoy with an equal pleasure. Our marriage is foundered on the very rocks of trust and shared, cherished time together. If I spend time away carrying out essential maintenance duties aboard Claymore it is seen as a sacrfice I make to ensure Dear Hearts continuing safe enjoyment of our shared treasure. I hope that a similar philosophy guides and guards your own domestic situation.

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[johna]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

If I read your reply correctly you are more concerned that buying a boat will be a mistake rather than buying a large boat. Well that is a situation that many have faced; some come through it some don't. We have all heard the expression "the two happiest days in your life are the day you buy a boat and the day we sell it.

I must admit I did have a sneaky feeling of envy on your part considering Claymore is only 30 feet. The viagra posts were I thought a way of encouraging you to increase your length.

Johna

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[claymore]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Oh Dear God - I must protect that dear young sweet thing Mrs Sailbad from you you awful man - have her put on the 17:20 this very evening - do not tarry my man - attend to it forthwith.

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[BlueSkyNick]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Well said, sailbad !

I get a little miffed /forums/images/icons/frown.gif that 'buying a first boat' is perceived as equal to 'no previous experience'. I have sailed on and off since a kid from Mirror dinghies to a 3-masted schooner, but only this year have our circumstances and desire to own our own boat come together. We chose a Moody 346 because if best meets our own predefined criteria.

I don't profess to be an expert, as proven by some of my FSQ's on this forum. I always plan to sail within my own capabilities and I am always happy to learn from others.

I think Claysie is right to criticise somebody who plans to buy a big boat and take the family to Sweden with a seasick prone SWMBO and no previous experience, but there can't really be people around who would do that, can there? It's only a magazine article and we all know we can't believe everything that's written in the media ...../forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Aja]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

With such a large family, he is really imposing his will in that they will go sailing whether they grow to like it or not.

In my opinion, he wouold be much better going the 'Club' route where they get their sailing in boats suitable to the conditions ( no one is going to get fed if Mum suffers from seasickness) and also get training.

In a few years time the kids will want to be with their friends of a weekend. 39' is not going to be big enough - if the kids still want to go sailing.

Washing jelly down the cockpit drains is a whole different story when your holed up in an anchorage, its peeing down, the weans (youngs children colloq.) want to go ashore and someones already been sick all over the place. And they will at some point be anchored as marina hopping gets very boring on the Clyde.

I'm talking from experience. 2 adults and 4 kids on a 32' wooden boat with no room to swing a nappy (younger brothers) and two weeks continous rain. Been there. T-shirt still damp.

At any rate, rant now finished, I'm off. Merry Crimbo to you all.

Regards

Donald

I think that the whole family need a reality check.

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[longjohnsilver]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Is there no leching to be done today? You suddenly seem to have the affliction of the old verbal dire ear, wot's wrong, no boating for you this Xmas, all the waters frozen, boat out of the water? Anyhow, I know you'll enjoy your bottle of Japanese/Korean imported whisky over the festive period!

This chap should quite obviously buy a motor boat with the largest diesel guzzlers possible and go eveywhere just off the plane.

Happy Christmas to the ancient mariner, hope you've managed to buy Claymore back from that bogus vendor!!

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[claymore]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Well Nick, you sound to have done a damn sight more sailing than the guy in the article so I wouldn't put you in the same bracket. i'm not trying to put some kind of exclusivity zone on sailing but I do feel that some people need protecting from their own ambitions sometimes. I've no problem with the family buying as big a boat as they can afford - but it seems sheer bloody lunacy to sink £60K into a project that they might not enjoy - as we all know there are far less painful ways of doing it - I crewed for people offshore for 7 or 8 years before I decided to invest in my own boat - all the while owning and racing dinghies - that was a long time ago and perhaps it was a long-winded way of going about it - dictated naturally by personal financial circumstances - but it isn't the buying of a boat that is difficult or dangerous - that doesn't kick in until we start using them.

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[claymore]

Re: None of You are taking this seriously

Thank you for those gems my boy.
Keep in touch with yourself and have a good Christmas - how's the shoplifting going?

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[Twister_Ken]

Straight from a GP14 to a Swan 57

S'wot someone I know did. Course the Swan did come with a skipper and a cook.

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[Peppermint]

Re: Natural selection

The whole tribe can drown together. Well thats a bit unlikely I know but it's only slightly more unlikely than the whole tribe taking to this sailing lark.

I'd think the blokes a nutter wanting to take them with him. He'll learn.

I think a follow up article or even a series would be worth while. Details of the buying experience, first trip, first rough trip, downward marital spiral, children taken into care, boat with dents sold cheaply, money spent on drink, builder has own cardboard box in doorway. I think "Mind" or "The Lancet" would snap it up.

This is one of the worst series YM has published.

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[ChrisE]

Claymore are you still there, have you bunked off?

Whilst I agree with your general tenor, my heart says that people should be allowed to mkae their own mistakes. True, in this case they could come real cropper but I can't recall a headline that says 'Family of 7 die in boating tragedy'.

Our first and only boat is a Rival 38, bought with little practical expereince other than RYA comp crew and dayskipper quals. Scared the livin' daylights out of us for the first couple of months but 'nobody died'. Now 9 years and a transat on I'd say we can live with the best them.

Didn't the Smeetons buy their boat with zero experience and had to be led into their first port?

Sorry, I forgot you academics need your rest.

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[claymore]

I was toadying

in the Principalship. Sorry.
Home now and locked into a programme of domestic violence concerning writing Christmas cards which apparently I do with ill grace and have always been a pain about and don't really pull my weight and haven't done so for the past 30 years - anyway back to the subject...
I think Peppermints suggestion is absolutely spot on and my only hope is that the Rt Honourable J.Jermain will have graced this thread with his presence and is as I type, penning his format for the new series


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[jimi]

Destructive testing

I've been thinking about JJ's test methods and quite frankly I don't think they're tough enough. We really want to see how much slamming they'll take before they fall to bits, what happens when you run the engine with the engine inlet blocked and a rope round the prop, can it take a good bounce off the putty. What happens if you leave all the washing up in 30knots and how visible they are when crossing the shipping lanes. Oh and an article on holding tank spotting and management would'nt go amiss either!

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[claymore]

Re: Destructive testing

Now that sounds an altogether better read - instead of having those nice pictures of the three of them sitting relaxed around the saloon table we could get them to test Regatta sailing stuff which is absolure shite and really give the boat a good thrashing - this way we'd really know which were the toughest boats
Suggest they do the:
Cleit Rock test at 8 knots to measure reverse keel movement
The Ramsey Harbour Drying out test to measure halliard strength and sideways mast bend
The Dink a Cardinal test to measure gelcoat depth and resilience
The Trent Class tow at 12 knots to measure foredeck cleat screw strength
The Bucket of Spanners from the top of the mast test to measure teak deck mess
The Beam on to Big Rollers test to measure crew injury severity
The Reverse as fast as you can into a pontoon test to measure rudder strength

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[Twister_Ken]

Re: Destructive testing

Not much you've overlooked, but it would also be nice to know how easy it is to recover a spinny that's been hour-glassed around the forestay. Or indeed, whether the forestay carries away and saves you the bother.

Another good one is how many crash gybes until:
a: the vang self destructs or
b: the mainsheet blocks explode, or
c: (and for an extra ten points) the boom breaks.

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