Hypothetical "find me a...." (43-45ft Sporscruiser)

MapisM said:
Welcome to the club.
When talking of teak in plastic boats, there are only two categories of boaters: those who are fed up with it, and those who will.
Leaving aside those for which money is no object, that is.
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Yeh teaks a tough one .I feel the makers condition the market as it’s not there problem [ insert your time frame ] years down the road .
Ours hasn’t got it except the BP which is solid 15 mm planks anyhow .
Some have though .








It fortunately means any dog “ accidents “ are just hoses away .
The leaves of the main engine hatches have not been covered over .
I was ambivalent about it , still am .Depends on the mood :) But as it stands it’s gonna cost going Fwds Zero in maintenance. No plans to chuck a load of teak at it .
So wine , oilive oil etc is just mopped up easy peasey .

Same below very low maintenance teak / holly wood easy wipe floors . Spill what you like on it .
 
Some red and yellow warning lights with faded labels, to liven up the day whenever one of them pops out, living the helmsman wondering what it is? :D
 
Yes it’s the Morse telflex .
No electronics , no flashing lights , no ECU there or anything that’s bothered by water .
You don’t get sync , but big deal it’s not as if you are really busy on a cruise sat on the helm is it ?
Takes a bit of acquired skill so what .
Solid clicks / dentents from N to F and R .You can look at where you are going and don’t need to have eyes on these while manoeuvring.
 
petem said:
Even with my KISS principle, having had a boat with mechanical throttles and one with electronic throttles I think I would favour the latter and keep a spare in stock as per JFM.
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Aaah, but! Did you ever try PROPER (i.e. separate) mechanical levers?
I know it's a counterintuitive thing to say, but if you get used to them, they are addictive.
It's no coincidence that they are the undisputed setup in boats where throttles are used a lot, i.e. very fast ones. :cool:
 
Portofino said:
Yes it’s the Morse telflex.
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Out of curiosity, knowing that your engines, even if not CRM, are electronically controlled:
Is the governor still handled by a lever directly connected to the throttle cable, or is it "fly by wire", hence requiring an actuator?
If the latter, even if I'm a fan of mechanical levers, imho it's actually simpler to go fully electronic, leaving the actuator for the gearbox (if necessary).
 
I think one of the best practical boats in this class is the Cayman 43 WA HT. Most of them have green lumps Tamd 75s but some do have Cats or Cummins.
This is a hard stretch for a Brit, a long stretch.

They are build as a brick house and I think the hard top on the Cayman is best in class, central window in forward screen makes it always fresh (and if that is not enough the side top glass like 1st gen Baia 48 Flash) can be removed, galley-dinette arrangement under HT (make you forget the galley below), vertical canopy make its also very easy in winter use without the split that a door creates, while the two aft looking settees, and free aft deck really make it perfect.
The boat also runs very nice, as I did ride it in two meters waves off Anzio some time ago. The Uniesse 42 is similar but the hard top version, and small second cabin make it less as good.
Hull closes at 18 degrees has a fine entry of about 40, and the rail really keeps it dry. Uniesse are king of head seas but they are rather flat aft which makes them less enjoyable down wind.

Lines are Italian-American (designed by Nuvolari Lenard more Italian less US unlike Uniesse which is the other way round), so I am not sure a Brit looking at a Fairline Targa 47 can want this.
Italians always put it on there list when looking 13-14 meters, and they do sell subject to condition and age (produced from 2000 - 10) from 100k up 200k. Cayman build over 70 off the 43 which was a success for a small company which build around 10 to 20 boats a year. A 48 is also worth considering, and has three cabins.

Returning to the Brits I think I would give my first call the T47 followed by a V48 or or the 20 cm smaller and smaller engine V46.
 
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MapisM said:
Out of curiosity, knowing that your engines, even if not CRM, are electronically controlled:
Is the governor still handled by a lever directly connected to the throttle cable, or is it "fly by wire", hence requiring an actuator?
If the latter, even if I'm a fan of mechanical levers, imho it's actually simpler to go fully electronic, leaving the actuator for the gearbox (if necessary).
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Two teleflex per stick so 4 in all .

One straight to the g box , no actuators here .I guess it could be manually moved up or down .


Other goes to what look like a potentiometer sat on top of the ECU box .
This box is in a nice dry warm place .It has a emergency stop button and some LED s alarms that duplicate the MMDS LCD screen on the helm .
The large grey multi pin plugs dissipates into the engine , remember most is coming back from sensors .
Point is all this not exposed to the elements so one less thing to go wrong unlike fully electronic throttles .
Think Mike F s having issues + most VP EDC throttles on here eventually...well a lot of threads ..EDC issues ..” flashing lights , rests pots “ etc etc ,

I did not go looking for this having said that , it’s a breath of fresh trouble free air jumping from EDC KAD 300 with DPG legs ( which I bought in ignorance of the engineering ) to these .
Which is place PeteM ,s is in so I can identify with his rationale. Sort of new what I did NOT want more than what I wanted if that makes sense .My own experience and watching others , to get to that list , like cassette passerelles sticking etc Hi low platforms getting repaired in the yards etc etc , cream carpet getting grubby etc etc etc .
 
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Portofino said:
Other goes to what look like a potentiometer sat on top of the ECU box
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Precisely as I expected.
In early days of electronic engines, most gearboxes were still mechanically controlled.
Therefore, builders had to choose between two alternatives, both "hybrid", so to speak:
- mechanical levers directly connected to the g/box and with some sort of actuator for the throttle, OR
- the other way round, i.e. electronic levers directly wired to the ECU and with an actuator for the g/box.
Ferretti for instance went for the latter, and in these "mixed" configurations, that's what I also tend to prefer, for practicality reasons.
But there's no absolute right nor wrong, obviously.
 
MapisM said:
In no particular order, the following are the builders that pop to my mind, which did have one or more models which suit your requirements nicely.
As long as you accept to replace "suitable" with "barely acceptable" in your last point, mind.
A sporscruiser suitable for pootling is an oxymoron - not even worth wasting a wishful thought.

- Sarnico
- Della Pasqua (not to be confused with "my" Dalla Pietà, whose smaller boat was a 48, hence out of your size bracket)
- Uniesse
- Riva
- Cayman
- Queens

Or with a bit more stress on 'sport' rather than 'cruiser'...
- Pershing
- Baia
- Itama
- Magnum
- Otam
- Tornado
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That's a interesting list. Can't say I found many of them that attractive apart from the Riva (too expensive and cramped for me) and the Pershings. The Baia One 43 is rather an usual design to say the least, particularly the cockpit!
 
MapisM said:
Aaah, but! Did you ever try PROPER (i.e. separate) mechanical levers?
I know it's a counterintuitive thing to say, but if you get used to them, they are addictive.
It's no coincidence that they are the undisputed setup in boats where throttles are used a lot, i.e. very fast ones. :cool:
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I've no experience of mechanical throttles apart fro the fugly ones on my Targa 30. I'll take your word for it that 'proper' ones may be a different kettle of fish.
 
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