Hunting debate.....nb

In The land of no-hunts

Here in Baltic's they do not ride to hunt ..... they go out and shoot.

Many do not have interest to shoot fox's as there are too many of them and not so much sport to hunt and get 'em.

So end result is there are loads of fox's out here and every night loads get maimed / injured / killed on the roads. I myself have hit loads of 'em - they just dart across the road in front of you .... last one lost his tail on my front bumper - couldn't find him to finish him off .... so he must have died a slow death.

I am not pro- or anti- hunt - but feel that laws to prevent hunting may be counter-productive in terms of controlling the fox's. (Hare coursing was a different matter - that was despicable and quite rightly was banned .......)

I don't think anyone knows the real answer till time has passed and observations prove one way or another.

One point I would like to make though .... having grown up around Hunt areas and with the sound of the hounds etc. I did object and I know that many farmers objected to the cavalier attitude of many Hunts where they would ride over fences and ground etc. without apparent concern for the farmer and his livelihood. One particular famous Hunt in a southern county was so arrogant that it alienated the village community and the local pub refused to have them there to have their tot before galloping off etc. The assembly at the pub had been for hundreds of years .... a tradition broken by their own arrogance.
Another hunt was blocking traffic while they crosed a busy sussex road .... no problem .... traffic was allowed to go in stages and horses etc. crossed inbetween bunches of cars. I waited for my turn to drive through. One of the Hunt on a beautiful large horse decided that he was not going to wait and caused me to slam on the brakes ...... even though I had been waved through by the Hunt ..... the rider proceeded to 'flick' his crop against my door window hard ..... unfortunately the window was open and the crop flicked across my face narrowly missing my eyes. Needless to say I stopped to have words with the Hunt guy directing traffic ..... what happened ?? Nothing .......


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Re: Country Alliance THUGS

The problm with big protest, cellibration or any other events that attract large group of people and media attention is that it also attracts those morons who have one single thing in mind which is sensation-lust. Thus bringing negative view to the event. Happens everywere, certainly in Holland too. Although I am very much again police brutality, this is perhaps the only exception. Problem is, when cornered it is hard to make a difference between the "good" and the "bad"......

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Scotland ...

Hunt is allowed but Fox to be killed by Gun and not allowed to be torn by the dogs. BUT there is provision that Dogs can finish the fox if decided that it is the quickest method in even of wounding etc.

Silly but true !

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Re: Scotland ...

Well that's sorted then!
Bloody marvelous init.
When'll they start procribing how we lay our anchors?I think it's about time Black Rod and the Serjeant-at-Arms stopped the bloody lot of 'em getting in and get on with it themselves.
(Rant over).

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umm true, the kid getting shot was aviodable and should never have happened. Re the "marksman" running round shooting sheep with a revolver! Should never have happened as handguns were banned a few years ago, good move to reduce guncrime that was! So he was holding and unlicenced illeagal firearm. Was said person taken to court?

Running round in circles. Yes very true people are. Why? well because a little fluffy wuffy foxy is being chased by a privaleged few. So someone had a bright idea for gaining a few votes. Hang about what about boating? Don't "well off" people do that as well?

If, and its a big if, people took a step back and looked at the real reasons fox hunting is bieng banned they'll see its a totaly political reason. Nothing what so ever to do with animal cruelty. If cruelty was what the ban is all about then I ask you again. What about the Halal meat trade. That, although for religious reasons, is a barbaric way of slaughtering animals. So cruelty to animals, crap, its a vote winner that Mr B liar drastically needs. I could just as easily say "OK I think we should ban mouse traps, stop killing wasps en masse stop killing feral pigeons and leave all the rats in london alone because its to cruel to kill them" How much notice will get taken by the general populace......bugger all. the general populace is no more bothered about those than they are of a few foxes.

Where I live I'm surrounded by countryside. Most mornings on my way to work I see a dead fox on the by-pass or its feeder roads. No one takes a blind bit of notice. Yet that fox was more than likely hit by a car but not killed outright. So left in pain for a while 'till the traffic builds up to be hit by a few more.
Yet a moggy gets run over and evryone thinks "ah, poor pussy". Well I don't. Sodding things use my front path for a bog, carry desease and generally cause a mess when they get in the bins. So lets ban the owning of cats!


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Trouble with running over pointy heads is you're likely to get a puncture. Incidentally, countryside alliance and thugs seem strange bedfellows to me. Usually a selection of mild mannered country dwelling society who feel that they are governed by those who tend to dwell in towns, and are a little insensitive to rural issues. Not to say that the fellers pulling down the barriers and biffing the Old Bill weren't large cider quaffing farmboys tho...

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The BIG difference is the word "Sport". If they killed the fox, took it home and ate it, I may have a different opinion but there is so little left of the fox after the hounds have been at it I doubt you'd get a mouthful. Fox hunting is done for the enjoyment of the chase and the kill, pest control is just a bi product.

Halal meat is eaten so no problem. Rats, pigeons and such like are killed because they are vermin NOT for "sport".

To be honest I would be thoroughly peeved if someone tried to destroy something I enjoyed so can see the reason for the uproar from the country folk. Doesn't make what they do right though.

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Re: This Fox is nearly shot

Err... mmm. Are fox not vermin?

If rat hunting developed as a past time, perhaps with miniature ponies to make it fair, would you become protective of rats?

My point is that fox-hunting is considered defensible by those who partake in it because the fox is a genuine bloody pest. It's not efficient by any means - all the buggers could be wiped out with mustard gas in one hit - but it is part of the social infrastructure of some rural areas. I don't think that it can be argued that it's part of the economic infrastructure except in a few cases, but nevertheless, there are perhaps more people than you might think whose current livelihood depends on the hunt.

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Do'nt buy the argument of pest control

1)hunting is inefficient
2)Hunts encourage foxes to breed with artificial earths & leaving food for them.

let's be honest, hunters like the thrill of the chase and that is the sole reason for this leisure pursuit (oh dear;-)) .. I cannot see why drag hunting cannot fulfil that need.


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"there are perhaps more people than you might think whose current livelihood depends on the hunt."
Firstly, as I said it's a sport the vermin control is just a bi product. I bet they wouldn't be so quick to join in if they had to do it all on foot?

Secondly, if using livelihoods is an adequate excuse for fox hunting, why are we so worried about green house gases, the rain forests, coral reefs, elephants, tigers, panda's.....? Lets just rape and pillage the planet just so we can make a buck!!

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Did I not say in my post that hunting is NOT efficient? Surely this works in the fox's favour???? If I was a fox, I'd rather have a load of pink coated monkies on horses chasing me than one farmer with a blunderbuss. At least with the hunt the end result is dead or not dead, and not having half an arse ventilated with buckshot.

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Ok ..erm you argue that its justifiable because its vermin control and then you say it doe'snt work .. please do'nt be silly .. just say that hunters like hunting and stop using spurious arguments .. it just devalues and ridicules their case.

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"half an arse ventilated with buckshot." LOL/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Yup .. that'll do for starters, we can then get on to the real arguments rather than all this irrelevant shit about pest control, local economy etc..

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Any contributions I've made to this debate are from my own personal experience of growing up and living in a rural area where the hunt has been part and parcel of many peoples' life. Obviously it affects some a lot, some a little, and some not at all. From your replies, I guess it affects you more than it does me - you certainly have strong feelings on the subject. I'm unclear as to why you reckon that my opinion devalues the pro's case though? I think I have a reasonably balanced view of the issue - at danger of repeating myself, I think that 1. it's an issue which takes up far too much of the gov't's time.
2. it's inefficient in terms of they don't catch foxes all that often.
3. I freely admit that for the majority of the participants it's a leisure pursuit - but it is based on "pest control" and to them, if not you and I, this makes it acceptable.

If you find that silly, I apologise for my abhorrent light heartedness and will go and hide in a pit until my thoughts become darker and deeper.

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<Hunts encourage foxes to breed with artificial earths & leaving food for them.>

jimi, sorry but I have never heard such claptrap. I live in an area where we have a local hunt, a game farm where the rear pheasants and partridge, a fly fishery and a river about 3 hundred yards from the house where it is coarse fished avidly. There is a healthy local population of foxes and have never heard of the need whereby they need to actively encourage the damn pests.

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We currently live in a democracy and those elected by the majority deem fox hunting with hounds unnecessary. I feel this probably reflects the opinion of the vast majority of the public, therefore it is totally just for it to be banned.


From a current BBC Poll...

VOTE RESULTS
Should hunting with dogs be banned?
Yes 89%
No 11%
76312 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion


I put fox hunting in the same league as kerb crawling, done by a few, frowned upon by the majority. And just think of the livelihoods of all those prostitutes hit by it being illegal!!
Actually that's probably a bit harsh on kerb crawlers - at least with kerb crawling everyone consents./forums/images/icons/crazy.gif

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