Hunting debate.....nb

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Easier than standing on one leg.

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Re: Nurturing Foxes

If this is true, and it's not something that I've seen personally, then it's pretty understandable that people find the whole thing objectionable. I suspect it's a minority of hunts that do this, and is therefore good reason for hunting to be subject to control, as an alternative to an outright ban.

I think it's interesting though that this concept essentially brings hunting into a very similar category to shooting game. Pheasants are released out of cages where they have been specifically bred for the purpose, "beaten" into flight, and then shot at. Yet undoubtedly this practice doesn't attract the resentment that hunting does. You have to wonder then how much a perception of elitism by the anti lobby plays a part in their feelings. To my mind, one is no more or less cruel than the other. So, hunting, then shooting, then fishing? I think (and Jimi, this is just my silly spurious specious opinion) that fishing won't ever be touched because it's the pastime of the common man. Can I say common man, or is that not PC? I mean your average man. Of which I am most definitely one.

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Re: Nurturing Foxes

Ah, but fish are cold blooded therefore don't feel pain, so fishing is ok.

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Must be irritating though. Getting hauled in a direction completely out of your way, by the mouth, having your photo taken with a smug bloke in a coat with 500 pockets on it (what are they all about?) and then being slung in a keep net with all you mates. You can imagine the fish conversation.. "..you here too Fred?" Must all seem a bit pointless to them - maybe they just humour us.

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"Fish don't feel pain", bollocks. get a live fish and stick a nail in it. Then look at the reaction from the fish!......OK lets ban fishing, see how far that will get. Absolutly nowhere. Why? because too many of the voting public partake thats why.

And its OK to let an animal bleed to death slowly then is it! Go watch a Halal slaughter then tell me its ok. So you don't mind animals dying slowly as long as you eat them then!!

As far as "polls" by the bbc or whoever. People will take in any crap you feed them, you obviously have! If the general populace was fed "it good to kiss the dog and kick the wife" long enough, women would be walking about black and blue and dogs would have sore lips.
OK so the analogt probably isn't the best in the world but you get the jist.

As I was saying before. This ban has nowt to do with human rights, animal rights any bloody rights of anyone. Its purely political. Even some of the ministers involved know the reasons are flawed. At the end of the day its an easy target because the populace has got all PC over animals since Rolf started doing his thing.

As for double standards. You say its ok to fish and Halal slaughter take place because theres a "valid reason" it. But fox hunting with dogs is not because you feel the "reason" is not valid, in your mind.

All IMHO of course.

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Re: Nurturing Foxes

Trying to be as objective about it as possible, I think the difference in perception is not just inverted snobbery (though I concede there may be an element of this in it) but also that in the other cases cited, the animals concerned are being killed for food or clothing. Even game birds usually end up on the table, though I agree that they are generally bred purely to be killed. What sticks in so many people's throats, including mine, is that foxes are hunted just for the pleasure of the chase. They are inedible and there are other ways of controlling them. Add to that the often arrogant behaviour of the huntsmen, and the thuggery of both them and the saboteurs, and I think there's a good case for banning the whole thing and saving ourselves a lot of hassle.

Interesting that this has stirred up so much emotion on here - and a microcosm of the passionate feelings that the subject evokes nationally. You're either for or against it, and there ain't much middle ground.

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Re: This Fox is nearly shot

Hey Barry, something I can agree with you about - ban the ownership of cats!

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Re: nothing really sensible - or is it??

This is all getting to reasoned and sensible, additionally there is a serious risk that all records (posts) are about to be broken.

Time for another list.

People don't like foxhunters because:-

They dress up in unusual clothes
Congregate in numbers and don't relate to "normal" peeps
Drink in special places
Have peculiar modes of transport
Have special equipment
Speak in jargon that nobody else understands
Can be arrogant
Ignore the presence of others not directly connected with them

Strange - that lot above seems to be another pastime that bears a striking resemblance to the list, perhaps that "sport" is next in line.

to reply to another post who asked about them wearing and ensign or another - I have noticed some horses werring a red or green ribbon on the ensign staff (tail).
Perhaps they are a pair - left or right hand??


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"The anti-hunting mob are cruel to foxes. By stopping hunting many more foxes will be shot, wounded and left to die a horrible, slow death in agony"

So don't shoot them then not left to die in agony

"Or they will be poisoned, which will catch other wild animals"

So don't use poison that does this. If essential to reduce fox population then use bait laced with contraceptive.

"Or they will be trapped and die slowly, held down by a wire."

I trust you don't use such things now - they are illegal and unnecessary. Humane traps are available and widely used for catching feral cats alive and unharmed.

"At least with hunting the fox is either killed swiftly or gets clean away"

Presumably to die later of exhaustion or by terrier when the crowds (and police) are not watching.

"By the way, I do not hunt but believe in individual freedom, not the nanny PC State. What the hell were the Gestapo doing using their batons on peoples' heads? Anyone who was injured in this way should have the right to sue for massive compensation. This was BRUTALITY of the worst kind!"

They do have the right to sue - no question about it. Lets see how many exercise that right.

Civilisation always progresses at the expense of individual freedom, you mention the Gestapo shoud they have be left free to do their thing?

Should people be free to indulge in bear baiting, dog fighting, etc etc etc

BTB

Did you know that the Isle of Wight was completely fox free until it was introduced by the hunt to provide "sport", indeed for many years foxes were reared and protected by hunts in order to provide something for them to chase about.

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Probably the most comprehensive piece of information so far. In addition, anyone ever bothered to ask a biologist why foxes are concidered to be pests or vermin? Found nothing so far that confirmed that argument.

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Sorry, Kevin, but the police just lost it.

They are strictly taught the use of the baton is to be on arms and legs NOT on heads. They became worse hooligans than the demonstrators. This lot were either untrained or, as I suspect, just lost self-control, forgot their training and went crazy.

This is what happens in the Totalitarian state that Britain is becoming under Labour.

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Vermin - yes. They kill chicken and lambs for the sake of killing, not just for eating.

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You have so many wild chickens in the UK? I know in Belgium (where they have foxes as well) they keep the chickens in a hen house at night. Cheap and simple solution.....

<hr width=100% size=1>Never attempt to teach a pig to sing.
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Oh no that old one again - it's just plain wrong! Humans are the only creatures who kill for the sake of it. Foxes kill to eat - and given half a chance will try and eat everything they kill. Simple as that!

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Well, yeah I reckon you're right, humans and cats are the only creatures who kill for the sake of it!

<hr width=100% size=1>Nickel

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Re: This Fox is nearly shot

>>> We currently live in a democracy and those elected by the majority deem fox hunting with hounds unnecessary. I feel this probably reflects the opinion of the vast majority of the public, therefore it is totally just for it to be banned.

I'm uncomfortable with that logic. Certainly there are clear majorities for a ban in both town and country. I loathe fox hunting with dogs. But as a soggy, JS Mill- reading, liberal I can't buy the line that if the majority wish to ban something then that's OK.

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Nickel,

In the interests of some facts in this debate, foxes do kill more than they can eat, I have witnessed the scene plenty of times in hen runs in Hampshire where I live. And by the way chimps, apes and other animals have been shown to kill for the fun of it.

Now can we get back to something mre important, like sailing?

Chris

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I have to admit that since I have been living in the cottage where I do now, we have had 2 cats, 1 now dead, I have to say I shall not have another. Apart from the fact that I seem to be allergic, I am horrifed by the amount of indiscriminate killing that they do. Never again I'm afraid.
Mind you, I won't have a dog either, but that's because of the amount of sh*tt*ng they do.

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Foxes are just a pretty, cuddly form of sewer rat that lives (mainly) in the country.

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