How to turn a Traditional Motorsailer into a Sailing Boat

[doug748]

Wow. Are we in danger of getting a replacement for the mythical Andersen 22?

We once overtook Drum downwind in light airs off Cloch Point. But that doesn’t prove that a 32 foot Westerly Fulmar is faster than an 80 foot ex-Whitbread ocean racer. Just that in very exceptional circumstances, extreme sail set and trim can make more difference. We had both borne off onto a run, and we immediately let the main right out and goose winged.
Meanwhile the pro-skipper on Drum kept his mainsail pinned tight in (with no foresail set) - as he had decided that with his mate serving champagne to the paying guests, now was not the time to fiddle with running backstays, boom across the cockpit and setting up a preventer.
Being the Clyde, 10 minutes later the wind had changed to a reach - and the mate had put down her tray of champagne flutes. They eased the mainsail out and shot off into the distance.

Certainly done a great job on the rig. But can‘t defeat the laws of hydrodynamics.
So perhaps need to be careful before a “Colvic 32“ becomes used as instead of “Anderson 22” - fine vessels though both are.

Anderson 22 vanquished?

As I always say, to the point of boring people I am sure, the best way to amaze people with the agility of your chosen boat is to race, more specifically, enter the Round the Island race and see how you get on. The results are published for all to admire.

Now then, I once overtook a Sunfast 32 in my old steamer, straight fight, remember it well but he beat me by over an hour : -(

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[fredrussell]

What LF fails to say is that as he overtook the Pogo 30 on that infamous day, he himself was being overtaken by an Anderson 22. I know all this because I was overtaking the Anderson 22 in my 6ft pram dinghy, rowing frantically. If you don’t believe me ask my wife - she was on water skis behind my dinghy.

 

[Laminar Flow]

I do understand that the definition of a race is two sailing boats on the same body of water within sight of one another. On the whole, we do not embarrass ourselves too often and, unless very close hauled, we seem to keep up well enough with most cruising boats our size.

On a few occasions we had the opportunity to properly spar with other motorsailers, in what would be a more proper apples with apples comparison.

From St. Malo to St Quay Portrieux we beat a standard rigged CW 35 by 2 hrs over 30 miles.

Leaving Crinnan towards Oban we had a race with a French Nauticat 35 sloop, the crew of which we had befriended on passage through the canal. They had had a fast passage from St. Malo to the Scillies and were keen for a challenge. Thierry had asked us several times how our tub sailed; I know he didn't believed us. The route through the islands offered several different courses to the wind for good variety.
In the end it wasn't even close. We left them behind almost immediately. After 25 miles and as we turned into our anchorage just south of Oban, they were so far back, we had trouble making them out with the Binoculars.

What LF fails to say is that as he overtook the Pogo 30 on that infamous day, he himself was being overtaken by an Anderson 22. I know all this because I was overtaking the Anderson 22 in my 6ft pram dinghy, rowing frantically. If you don’t believe me ask my wife - she was on water skis behind my dinghy.

And spilled our tea in your wake! Shame on you...

 

[Chiara’s slave]

We don’t leave a wake to speak of. Your tea is quite safe.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

I agree, I think Laminar Flow has done a great job in modifying his boat to meet his needs . Hopefully, it may give other motorsailor's confidence to make changes if they want to.

With regard to weather , the world has moved on from plastic macs and duffle coats.
Hi tec clothing has somewhat transformed sailing in places like the UK. Add perhaps a sprayhood and there is no real need to be cold, wet and sweaty .

Take yet another rainy night and irish sea chop with an eddie the auto groaning and twitching and generally failing to helm true, and suddenly even the doghouse seemed a poor solution

If you want to sail round the buoys a sprayhood is fine, but if you want to cross seas or even oceans in 55N latitude damp weather then you look to other solutions

Some of course sail to escape family but it encourages my beloved if she and her charts are kept warm and dry and I relish her company

 

[Laminar Flow]

When we crossed from the Scillies to Cork, some 140 NM, it was absolutely bucketing down all night, the water cascading off the sails and no matter the calendar swore up and down it were Summer, it quite clearly had to be a dirty lie.
Silly me sat inside, of course, when I could have been outside in the cockpit, safely clad in some synthetic skin and enjoying the spectacular waterfall shooting off the bimini. Why does rain always feel wetter at night?

I know that cozy feeling well, climbing into the still wet, salt-encrusted foulies at the beginning of every watch, when on passage and the moisture, brought in with every change of the deck watch, encourages the fresh undies, safely cocooned in their drawers, to grow a warm pelt of mold.

The glory of proper yachting, I shall not miss it.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

We don’t often sail at night. It’s 6 hours to Cherbourg from here, maybe 10-12 to Guensey.

 

[Laminar Flow]

We don’t often sail at night. It’s 6 hours to Cherbourg from here, maybe 10-12 to Guensey.

It seems we travel greater distances and obviously do not share your boat's speed potential, though we did manage Guernsey to Plymouth in 14 hrs, which put our Yachtline ETA out of sinc by 4 hrs.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Well Work is comple on my hull and rudder modifications, as per Laminars suggestions.

Annoying weather helm abolished and tiller less than 5 degrees of central position on broad reach. Much like our old non-motor sailer. Probably less than £150 materials and 4 long days resining and waiting for things to harden before sanding or grinding

 

[Cspirit]

Wow! Winter job for me on my LM27………

 

[oldmanofthehills]

It was hard to be certain if the upper fin and the fairing in of the rudder was truly necessary, but once I had epoxy, builders foam and filler in my hands it seemed advisable to do the lot.

Sadly didnt have a chance to test the tiller pilot while crossing Wembury Bay last Saturday, but the tiller being in neutralish position makes me very hopeful. The acid test will be crossing the 70 or so miles to Channel Isles and Normandy mid May

 

[Fire99]

Great video. Enjoyed that. You certainly have some engineering skill and have transformed the performance of the Watson. Well done.

 

[Laminar Flow]

Well Work is comple on my hull and rudder modifications, as per Laminars suggestions.

Annoying weather helm abolished and tiller less than 5 degrees of central position on broad reach. Much like our old non-motor sailer. Probably less than £150 materials and 4 long days resining and waiting for things to harden before sanding or grinding

Congratulations and I'm pleased it worked out for your LM as well!

Let us know if the AP is now behaving as well.

Best, A.

 

[doug748]

On the subject of in or outside helm, we have both on our Finnsailer. We can sail with the rear tent up or down, pilothouse open or closed, all lines leading back to cockpit. You can be as warm or cold and wet as you like & we sail all year round in Scotland! Last trip it was sub zero outside for three days and nights. It's a great combination.

I nearly mentioned at the time that I had seen a Finnclipper for sale in Looe. For anyone that wants to similarly equip themselves, it has turned up on Ebay:

Pardon our interruption...

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[oldmanofthehills]

I nearly mentioned at the time that I had seen a Finnclipper for sale in Looe. For anyone that wants to similarly equip themselves, it has turned up on Ebay:

Pardon our interruption...

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We plan to be in Looe this Saturday. However that Finnclipper has been stuck unmoving on its centre harbour legs for the last 6 years, and engine looks like a rusty heap of s"""". The Ebay swears all is functional and says delivery cost will be a couple of pound by Evri which is improbable. If I didnt have a fine motorsailer i might be tempted but would expect to pay £15k to £20k to get things right, so wouldnt offer more than £5k. And the moment it not the present owners the HM would want it gone and as there is a 3 year waiting list etc

 

[rotrax]

When we crossed from the Scillies to Cork, some 140 NM, it was absolutely bucketing down all night, the water cascading off the sails and no matter the calendar swore up and down it were Summer, it quite clearly had to be a dirty lie.
Silly me sat inside, of course, when I could have been outside in the cockpit, safely clad in some synthetic skin and enjoying the spectacular waterfall shooting off the bimini. Why does rain always feel wetter at night?

I know that cozy feeling well, climbing into the still wet, salt-encrusted foulies at the beginning of every watch, when on passage and the moisture, brought in with every change of the deck watch, encourages the fresh undies, safely cocooned in their drawers, to grow a warm pelt of mold.

The glory of proper yachting, I shall not miss it.

Exactly!!!!!

Just like Motorcycling, Sailing should be enjoyed, not endured.

First Mate and I are selling Jarrow Lily after nine great seasons. Age creeps on! We averaged 1800 NM's each season. A smaller Motorsailer is already in mind! We shall miss the huge volume, massive storage, easy on/off and many other atributes that we enjoy with the SP Cruiser. We shall continue our travels by water, albeit less adventurous than with the 12 metre Island Packet.

Hope to see you guys on our future travels.