How original is your older boat?

Concerto

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This thought came to me when I was sailing on Monday. What is still original on my 38 year old Fulmar?

The hull, deck, keel, pulpit and pushpit, anchor (not sure about the chain), interior woodwork, Blakes toilet, water and fuel tanks, holding tank (maybe fitted shortly after launching), bilge pump, electrical wiring and switch panel are original. The original cooker is about to be replaced and the woodwork is due to be stripped and relaquered. The genoa furling gear is old and was probably fitted over 25 years ago.

To my knowledge this is everything that has been replaced, upgraded or added with dates where known.
Engine in 2009.
Water lubricated shaft seal and folding propeller in 2014.
All antifoul removed and Gelshielded in 2014.
Stainless steel strip added to the teak rubbing strake in 2015.
Removed deck paint and reapplied 2015.
New higher stanchions with side gates, new bases and guard wires in 2015.
New teak cockpit seats in 2017.
Mast after the original broke in 1996.
Spinnaker pole in 2016.
Manual anchor winch.
Forward hatch in 2015.
Main and genoa in Vectran in 2016. 100% jib, storm jib and spinnaker replaced in 1996.
Main instruments upgraded in 1996 and chart plotter added in 2014.
New uprated auto pilot in 2016.
Secondhand Lewmar 43ST genoa winches, the old Antal 40ST winches moved to become halyard winches.
New sprayhood and stackpack in 2014.
New inflatable and outboard in 2015.
New running rigging in 2016.
New upholstry and curtains in 2015.
Fitted an Eberspacher in 2014.
Some new cabin lights, balance to get LED bulbs fitted.
Replaced most of the gas system.
Toilet and holding tank pipes replaced by previous owner.
Most of the head linings were replaced by the previous owner, just the forward cabin left to replace.
When next out of the water an emergency bathing ladder has been purchased and will be fitted as the transom boarding ladder (may be original) does not enter the water.
Lots of other things changed like stereo system, VHF, crockery and cutlery, standing rigging, fenders, warps, winch handle pockets, etc.

There has also been lots of repairs to chipped gel coat and compounding of discoloured gel coat due to UV light. Changing all trim from red to blue and adding vinyl lettering of the class. Removing the red painted transom back to gel coat. Treating all the rust on the keel. Not forgetting changes of wearable items like batteries and anodes.

It has been a lot of expense and many hours of hard graft to improve an old vessel, but I feel it is worth while as I intend to get the benefit of them over the next 10 years.

My boat is still not in a perfect condition, but when is any boat that is 38 years old, however when compared to other boats built at a similar time it does look substantially better than average. Regularly I get the comment of when I want to sell, they would be interested in buying her. Sorry they will just have to wait about 10 years!

So how original is your boat?
 
Funny you should raise this subject. Relaunched my little boat on Monday. In the process had a failure of the polyester rope that raises the vertically lifting keel. That rope is the only original piece of rope. 36 years old and finally failed. Keel is down and now I have 6 months to replace it. Not so easy with the bottom blocks of 4 purchase down in the cb case.
Yes much has been replaced on little boat by me. (in 35 years) replaced 3 masts. Boom. All sails 2 to 4 times. Standing rigging 3 times at least. Windows. one once one twice due to crazing. Anchor this last winter when a fluke fell off the danforth with rust. (don't anchor usually) Plastic hinges multiple times. Bunk cushions replaced covers several times. Tiller replaced broken at least once by people falling on it. Bottom of the cb keel rebuilt almost every winter due to hitting rocks. Jib sheet winches replaced a long time back. Jib sheets multiple times as with halyards etc. Trailer rebuilt.
Still I have had my money's worth and looking forward to another season of racing starting this coming Sunday. ol'will
 
Some things that are original but really need replacing:

Saloon windows
Bunk cushions (waiting for non-leaky windows)
Headlining around the windows (see a pattern here?)
Cooker
Steel fuel tank
Quite a lot of the wiring
Gooseneck fitting

Some things that are going strong (fingers crossed):

Engine
Nav lights
Winches
Clutches
Almost all of the interior joinery
Stanchions (but fairly well worn)
Bulkhead and chart table compasses
All but one of the cabin lamps
VHF
Stereo (It was actually mono for many years but then magically went back to stereo)
Prop
Mainsail cover, dodgers, sprayhood

Some things that have been replaced (on top of service items):

Furling gear
Heads
Instruments
Fresh water foot-pump
Gelshield >20 years ago
No doubt other things I have forgotten/suppressed
 
Concerto seem to be the sort of person I'd like to buy a boat from. If only every boat owner was as conscientious (he said wearily, 3 years into fettling his latest boat...).
Must say that your boat always looks good when I see it, as I did a week or two ago.
 
We have a similar boat to Concerto and I'd like to say it's had a very similar replacement of items, bar the mast which is still original. It was re-engined before we got it and renewed Windows, Headlinings and cabin cushions around 2000.
I've not done anything with the aging crazing gelcoat but painting the Hull and deck will be the next big job to get on with on a 35 year old boat, also thinking of replacing the Stanchions so any advice on these items would be useful.

Seumask
 
Not surprisingly I don't care what is original and what is not! As long as it works and I can enjoy my sailing.
 
Concerto, have you costed all of that? :)

Certainly have. It has cost more than I paid for the boat. However at the time I could have bought a new 32ft yacht but decided I did not like the modern designs. Even after all the spending it will have cost considerably less than a new boat, plus I bought a flat which has appreciated by half of the cost of the renovations. Even when costed over a 12 to 14 year period of expected ownership it probably will cost a similar amount, but most of it will have been spent in the first few years. The bonus is I have a boat I love sailing, fitted to my specification and keeping it a good condition is relatively easy now.
 
Concerto seem to be the sort of person I'd like to buy a boat from. If only every boat owner was as conscientious (he said wearily, 3 years into fettling his latest boat...).
Must say that your boat always looks good when I see it, as I did a week or two ago.

Thank you for that comment. Perhaps you will come on board one day, this year has been a bit hectic so not sailed as much as I would like. Although currently in Ocean Village, Southampton and heading for France after the Scuttlebutt meet (now relocated to the Medina due to weather conditions).

If you are interested in reading all the changes then read the thread on the old Westerly Forum (the second most popular thread on that forum). https://westerly-owners.co.uk/woaforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2748&start=0
There is also a photo file and if you start on the highest page number you will see what she used to look like and every change/improvement. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/ConcertoFulmar32/library/?sort=3&page=9
 
We have a similar boat to Concerto and I'd like to say it's had a very similar replacement of items, bar the mast which is still original. It was re-engined before we got it and renewed Windows, Headlinings and cabin cushions around 2000.
I've not done anything with the aging crazing gelcoat but painting the Hull and deck will be the next big job to get on with on a 35 year old boat, also thinking of replacing the Stanchions so any advice on these items would be useful.

Seumask

If you have a Fulmar then check the answer just above for the links to what I have done as you will find plenty of advice and tips.

If you are wanting to change the stanchions then I can help. I got a deal on some 27" stainless steel ones with side gates and have another set. This raises the guard wires and makes working on deck a lot safer. You will need new bases, but I can advise which to buy. Removing the old stanchions is not easy as you have to use a Dremel ro remove the grp layer over the nuts and penny washers. At this time it is useful to repair any stress cracks in the gel coat. Use a Dremel to open each crack and ensure all dirt is removed. Then fill with Plastic Padding Gel Coat filler, sand smooth, then course and fine compound (Fercula G3 and G10), then polish. Then the existing holes must be cleaned by enlargeing slightly and then epoxy filling as the new base holes do not match (a pain but it must be done). Drill new holes and seal the new bases, I used butyl rubber and has worked well. If you are interested in the stanchions then PM me.

All Westerlys were double gel coated. This means the gel coat is 2 to 3 mm thick. So the top surface can be removed and compounded and polished to a high shine. If this has begun to break through to the mat below due to excessive cleaning in the past or has crazing, then you could have the affected areas flow coated. This is a gel coat with a wax added to ensure it sets hard. Then this can be smoothed and compounded. You can do this yourself if you have the time. Someone I know had their decks sprayed but it cost about £6,000 as the boat was lifted, mast removed and the boat moved in a shed. Then most of the deck fittings were removed for painting and then refitted. If you look through the photos you will see what I did by removing the top surface of the gel coat.
 
My 41 year old boat still has it's original engine, spars (including Rotostay), galley and cushions. Much maintenance work done on all of them! I'm still using the original Bruce Banks mainsail, although it's been home three times this season for repair.
 
Just sold my 50 year old Invicta 26. All the interior woodwork was original, the bronze cleats were original as were the pulpit and pushpit and tiller. The mast was replaced by a previous owner who mis-calculated tide height and bridge height. In the 21 years I owned her I replaced or added engine (Stuart Turner to Beta 10) Winches (Lewmar), Standing rigging, all running rigging, genoa track and travellers , depth/log, installed windspeed/direction, VHF radio, AIS, Navtex, bunk cushions, all sails, cooker and heads liferaft and EPIRB. Probably lots of other bits and pieces, but over 21 years still think she didn’t owe me anything and she provided 21 years of great sailing.
New boat a youngster at 35 years old, allready started to replace/add new bits, but won’t be anything like the Invicta which the previous owner had prided himself on keeping her in an almost original state.
Why not buy new? Well 1. would rather buy my boat outright with no loan and can’t afford to do that with anything bigger or newer, but can afford to refit over a period, 2. I like some of the older designs better than many of the newer ones, 3. Boats are a very personal thing and unless you can afford to have a bespoke craft, there will allways be something you want to change on a boat so that it suits you, even if you buy new.
Can’t claim to enjoy working on the boat over the Winter, but there is an element of satisfaction to be gained from doing the work yourself.
 
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