webcraft
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Are they worth the money, and which one is best?
How many people use diesel fuel additives?
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simon_sluggett
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I use soltron
Dont know if it works, it was reviewed in PBO so I gave it a try. I guess you wont know if it doesnt work untill you have a fuel problem. I am a bit sceptical at the moment . Its a bit like the stuff you spray on number plates (off road use only, officer, honest!!!!!) to stop speed cameras getting you. You dont know if it works or not till you get the ticket in the post!
Dont know if it works, it was reviewed in PBO so I gave it a try. I guess you wont know if it doesnt work untill you have a fuel problem. I am a bit sceptical at the moment . Its a bit like the stuff you spray on number plates (off road use only, officer, honest!!!!!) to stop speed cameras getting you. You dont know if it works or not till you get the ticket in the post!
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Re: How many people use diesel fuel additives? ------ bit limited ...
The diesel market has a lot of additives available on commercial and retail markets. I have a list on my Office board that covers about 50 - just from my own trade biz and supplier.
I thjink you are aiming more at Soltron / FuelSet etc. which are specifics and have a valuable place in the market. There are others - despite what some say - but not widely advertised and usually only trade based....... eg - we use 5-9035 additive in tons - not millilitres.
As I have posted many times - based on our blending and petrochem work - use of additives is good - in moderation and using common-sense. Blind use of them can lead to future problems where bugs can and will become immune.
If any one should derive from a thread that use of remedies is wrong - then that thread does a disservice to the community - but conversely information from advisors / suppliers should give better useage advise than I see often ....
eg : Dose evety fill up is a common one. Given that the dosage advised on container is a based on what works + safety margin - means that overdosing will occur continuously. Take note that tank will retain residue with additive along with fuel not used .... so further fuel introduced will mix and be subject to control before conditions occur for bugs to multiply. (Note i say multiply - they are always there !!). The mix required will be far short of bottle instructions. As long as a dose is introduced at reasonable intervals ... based on fuel usage - not on every fill .... you should look after yourself economically.
Dose every fill-up and the bank manager will love the seller !
(My own case on one particular additive - for commercial reasons must go un-named ..... we were told that injection rate must be 17ppm or more minimum. On testing and actual field study - we now inject all work at 10 - 11ppm ...... making a vast difference when you are considering fuel quantities of 1000's of tons !)
I know someone is going to ask - OK sbc - what do you use and when ..... answer is zero for my boat. I will only use when I diagnose need to. BUT - that is me and I do not advise others to follow my own personal scrooge antics !!
The diesel market has a lot of additives available on commercial and retail markets. I have a list on my Office board that covers about 50 - just from my own trade biz and supplier.
I thjink you are aiming more at Soltron / FuelSet etc. which are specifics and have a valuable place in the market. There are others - despite what some say - but not widely advertised and usually only trade based....... eg - we use 5-9035 additive in tons - not millilitres.
As I have posted many times - based on our blending and petrochem work - use of additives is good - in moderation and using common-sense. Blind use of them can lead to future problems where bugs can and will become immune.
If any one should derive from a thread that use of remedies is wrong - then that thread does a disservice to the community - but conversely information from advisors / suppliers should give better useage advise than I see often ....
eg : Dose evety fill up is a common one. Given that the dosage advised on container is a based on what works + safety margin - means that overdosing will occur continuously. Take note that tank will retain residue with additive along with fuel not used .... so further fuel introduced will mix and be subject to control before conditions occur for bugs to multiply. (Note i say multiply - they are always there !!). The mix required will be far short of bottle instructions. As long as a dose is introduced at reasonable intervals ... based on fuel usage - not on every fill .... you should look after yourself economically.
Dose every fill-up and the bank manager will love the seller !
(My own case on one particular additive - for commercial reasons must go un-named ..... we were told that injection rate must be 17ppm or more minimum. On testing and actual field study - we now inject all work at 10 - 11ppm ...... making a vast difference when you are considering fuel quantities of 1000's of tons !)
I know someone is going to ask - OK sbc - what do you use and when ..... answer is zero for my boat. I will only use when I diagnose need to. BUT - that is me and I do not advise others to follow my own personal scrooge antics !!
Talbot
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I use Fuel set which AFAIK is the only one approved for the Eberspacher, although last time i heard that Soltron was also being tested.
ccscott49
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I use fuel set as well, cant get solly or I would use that!
Pye_End
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Fuel Set and Soltron do two different jobs.
It is my belief that Fuel Set is a water gobbler and so prevents anything growing, whereas Soltron eats the bacteria once you have a problem.
As already indicated, if you use Soltron all the time you may find that something grows as it has become resistant to it, and then you have nowhere to go. Keeping the water out using Fuel Set at least then gives you a back-up if it all goes wrong.
It is my belief that Fuel Set is a water gobbler and so prevents anything growing, whereas Soltron eats the bacteria once you have a problem.
As already indicated, if you use Soltron all the time you may find that something grows as it has become resistant to it, and then you have nowhere to go. Keeping the water out using Fuel Set at least then gives you a back-up if it all goes wrong.
neil_s
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If you keep your fuel tank clean and drain off any condensation regularly, you don't need any fuel additive.
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Neil ...... not strictly true ....
Most people assume that water - oil interface is needed and that keeping that to minimum is all that's needed.
Sorry but not true .... as there are bugs that live with sulphur and also in oil .....
It is true that keeping good husbandry is advised and would give you a long-term working environment ..... but eventually you may get caught.
Also - take note that the real problem for an engine is not actually the living organism - its the dead residue .... the gunge that get's picked up and blocks the filters etc.
An even more frightening one is the bug that actually "strips" paint of inside of tanks !! The paint literally slides down the sides and then clogs everything ..... This was a problem in 80's - 90's on ships engines when lub-oil would be full of this bug ... and whole sump casings would be stripped of paint .... blocking up the lub feeds etc.
Basically - there is far more to this than simple water and oil .....
Ok ....
Most people assume that water - oil interface is needed and that keeping that to minimum is all that's needed.
Sorry but not true .... as there are bugs that live with sulphur and also in oil .....
It is true that keeping good husbandry is advised and would give you a long-term working environment ..... but eventually you may get caught.
Also - take note that the real problem for an engine is not actually the living organism - its the dead residue .... the gunge that get's picked up and blocks the filters etc.
An even more frightening one is the bug that actually "strips" paint of inside of tanks !! The paint literally slides down the sides and then clogs everything ..... This was a problem in 80's - 90's on ships engines when lub-oil would be full of this bug ... and whole sump casings would be stripped of paint .... blocking up the lub feeds etc.
Basically - there is far more to this than simple water and oil .....
Ok ....
DepSol
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Fuel Set and Soltron do two different jobs.
It is my belief that Fuel Set is a water gobbler and so prevents anything growing, whereas Soltron eats the bacteria once you have a problem.
As already indicated, if you use Soltron all the time you may find that something grows as it has become resistant to it, and then you have nowhere to go. Keeping the water out using Fuel Set at least then gives you a back-up if it all goes wrong.
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Sorry but your understanding is all wrong Firstly Soltron does just more than eat the bacteria when you have a problem, it constantly breaks down any nasties in your tank whether alive or dead.
No Bugs become resistant to Soltron it is NOT a biocide and even SRBs can not survive against it.
So you use Fuel set what then happens in the winter when your tank is accumulating water and you (or most boaters in winter) do not use your boat much. How is the Fuel Set/aka water remover going to remove water when you are not running your engine frequently enough. Even worse to this are people who do short runs warming the engine and diesel enough to help bug activity but not enough to remove water.
As said in this thread YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE WATER TO HAVE BUGS! So using a water remover isnt always going to remove the problem either by not using the engine enough to remove the water or by the fact that the bugs can breed around it.
RACOR users will be pleased to know that if they have a filter problem whilst using Fuel Set RACOR will not compensate for any damage caused to the filter or to the engine whereas they are quite happy for Soltron to be used.
Fuel Set and Soltron do two different jobs.
It is my belief that Fuel Set is a water gobbler and so prevents anything growing, whereas Soltron eats the bacteria once you have a problem.
As already indicated, if you use Soltron all the time you may find that something grows as it has become resistant to it, and then you have nowhere to go. Keeping the water out using Fuel Set at least then gives you a back-up if it all goes wrong.
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Sorry but your understanding is all wrong Firstly Soltron does just more than eat the bacteria when you have a problem, it constantly breaks down any nasties in your tank whether alive or dead.
No Bugs become resistant to Soltron it is NOT a biocide and even SRBs can not survive against it.
So you use Fuel set what then happens in the winter when your tank is accumulating water and you (or most boaters in winter) do not use your boat much. How is the Fuel Set/aka water remover going to remove water when you are not running your engine frequently enough. Even worse to this are people who do short runs warming the engine and diesel enough to help bug activity but not enough to remove water.
As said in this thread YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE WATER TO HAVE BUGS! So using a water remover isnt always going to remove the problem either by not using the engine enough to remove the water or by the fact that the bugs can breed around it.
RACOR users will be pleased to know that if they have a filter problem whilst using Fuel Set RACOR will not compensate for any damage caused to the filter or to the engine whereas they are quite happy for Soltron to be used.
catmandoo
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Its a good deodourant too . a couple of drops under the armpits is great Try it .
DepSol
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Youll be drinking it next !!
catmandoo
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Thats a thought . Might cure excessive flatulence
DepSol
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it does alot of things but that i doubt it especially not in your case !
longjohnsilver
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Racor filters
"RACOR users will be pleased to know that if they have a filter problem whilst using Fuel Set RACOR will not compensate for any damage caused to the filter or to the engine whereas they are quite happy for Soltron to be used"
That's an interesting claim Dom. Here's what Racor have to say about it.
Good morning John ,
Since receiving your request yesterday I have been checking out this claim , I can tell you that this statement definitely did not originate here at Racor Europe in Dewsbury neither has it come from Racor headquarters in Modesto California so the origins are somewhat a mystery .
Racor filters are designed to work with fuel additives but without a data sheet for the Soltron product it is impossible to say if it is compatible .
Best regards
Martin Edwards
Technical Co-ordinator
Racor Fuel filtration
Still use Soltron but some of your unsubstantiated claims over the years leave me wondering why I bother.
"RACOR users will be pleased to know that if they have a filter problem whilst using Fuel Set RACOR will not compensate for any damage caused to the filter or to the engine whereas they are quite happy for Soltron to be used"
That's an interesting claim Dom. Here's what Racor have to say about it.
Good morning John ,
Since receiving your request yesterday I have been checking out this claim , I can tell you that this statement definitely did not originate here at Racor Europe in Dewsbury neither has it come from Racor headquarters in Modesto California so the origins are somewhat a mystery .
Racor filters are designed to work with fuel additives but without a data sheet for the Soltron product it is impossible to say if it is compatible .
Best regards
Martin Edwards
Technical Co-ordinator
Racor Fuel filtration
Still use Soltron but some of your unsubstantiated claims over the years leave me wondering why I bother.
DepSol
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Re: Racor filters
I was given information via RACOR H/O in aMerica some time ago that they were happy with Soltron being used for their filters but would not guarantee the use of other additives against their filters at that time Fuel Set was mentioned.
I think I need to speak to RACOR again and speak to the person I corresponded with originally. Things may have changed in the last 4 years well it looks like they have so I need to get this clarified myself.
Dom
I was given information via RACOR H/O in aMerica some time ago that they were happy with Soltron being used for their filters but would not guarantee the use of other additives against their filters at that time Fuel Set was mentioned.
I think I need to speak to RACOR again and speak to the person I corresponded with originally. Things may have changed in the last 4 years well it looks like they have so I need to get this clarified myself.
Dom
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Re: Racor filters ..... Depsol
Quote :I was given information via RACOR H/O in aMerica some time ago that they were happy with Soltron being used for their filters but would not guarantee the use of other additives against their filters at that time Fuel Set was mentioned.
Sounds a bit like the Newspaper one of " a reliable source at xxxx informs us that ......"
Waffly ...... especially that in fact near all diesels carry additives - so where does compatability come into it .... Depsol - we two have had this discussion before ..... As I told you then - most outlets / services / equipment manufacturers etc. have no clue what goes into the fuel ... as it can go in at any time in it's life - at refinery, any change of Traders hands in large storage, being loaded to ships etc. etc.
Quote :I was given information via RACOR H/O in aMerica some time ago that they were happy with Soltron being used for their filters but would not guarantee the use of other additives against their filters at that time Fuel Set was mentioned.
Sounds a bit like the Newspaper one of " a reliable source at xxxx informs us that ......"
Waffly ...... especially that in fact near all diesels carry additives - so where does compatability come into it .... Depsol - we two have had this discussion before ..... As I told you then - most outlets / services / equipment manufacturers etc. have no clue what goes into the fuel ... as it can go in at any time in it's life - at refinery, any change of Traders hands in large storage, being loaded to ships etc. etc.