How long before we are in the firing line?

[boatmike]

OK peeps. here we go. We are told we cant buy a diesel or petrol car after 2030. No one has mentioned boats but how long before MoBo s with big diesel engines are seen as anti social? How long before the nanny state convinces jo public that we should be told to stop burning fossil fuels and either turn exclusively to sail or some form of electric propulsion that does not exist? The obvious thing will be that we are taxed out of existence. Some say this has started already. Millionaires with super yachts may be able to pay exorbitant taxes to continue their fun but what about the rest of us? And before anyone says "Oh commercial vessels will still be allowed to burn diesel cos there is no alternative so we will be OK" lets recognise that this legislation applies to private cars only. No one has said as far as I understand it that lorries have to run on electricity. Just private cars. So what about private motor yachts that burn LOADS more diesel than cars. How long before we are under attack??

 

[Portofino]

Glut of oil = reduced prices .
Relax .
2 nd branch the environment is more towns + cities , you know clean air cycling thing , poisoning school kids etc .

Stop worrying .

 

[andy59]

Anyone know the percentage of total diesel used in Uk that’s used by leisure craft, I would think it’s fairly small.

 

[Momac]

How long before we are under attack??

From 2050 the use of internal combustion engines for boats in UK waters will be banned .

 

[Summer. Wine]

Displacement boats. 5 - 10 l/hr. What's the rush? It's about the journey.

 

[Seastoke]

After Dec 31 we can all call ourselves fishermen.

 

[Portofino]

Problems gonna be social attitudes.

 

[Boat2016]

From 2050 the use of internal combustion engines for boats in UK waters will be banned .

So all the boats currently in use and being built over next few years with engines are going to have to be scrapped in 30 years then ?

 

[Momac]

So all the boats currently in use and being built over next few years with engines are going to have to be scrapped in 30 years then ?

Or converted to other acceptable means of propulsion such as electric
Clean maritime plan: Maritime 2050 environment route map



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[Boat2016]

Or converted to other acceptable means of propulsion such as electric
Clean maritime plan: Maritime 2050 environment route map



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so that’s likely to be the end of motor boating then unless a cost effective alternative form of propulsion is developed, I take it this applies to the whole world ? Or is it another dream that us brits are going to single handedly save the planet ?

 

[Momac]

so that’s likely to be the end of motor boating then unless a cost effective alternative form of propulsion is developed,

Perhaps we will have to settle for going slow in which case may as well go sailing.
But a lot can happen in 30 years .

Meanwhile narrowboats for use on inland waters are likely to lead the way.

 

[alandalus11]

From 2050 the use of internal combustion engines for boats in UK waters will be banned .

Phew, that's OK then, I'll be dead. One less thing to worry about.

 

[dpb]

Or converted to other acceptable means of propulsion such as electric
Clean maritime plan: Maritime 2050 environment route map.

"From 2050 the use of internal combustion engines for boats in UK waters will be banned ."

Are you stating this as fact?
Presumably you have other sources to back this statement up as there is nothing to that effect in the document that you have linked to.

Mind you I will, or may be, over 90 by then so probably not too concerned!

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Car electrification dead line of 2030 is nuts, and who ever came with this idea really should go on and make some sums with basic calculations.

Electrification is not the future, and it will actually create a big electrical crises like no other, as it will surge electrical demand and production by minimum 300%, some numbers also say by about 1000%.
Really a bad idea who is coming with these deadlines, when the present is not there yet.

On the other hand this year has been a good one for Hydorgen technology; cells (in use in electric cars) as fuel, and hydogen combustion engine.
This is the future, but we are still possibly five years aways to call the present.

 

[Portofino]

The eco argument net harm is actually from mining the rare Earth ( pun intended) electronic components and further disposal / recycling.
Power generation needed to turn the rare Earth elements into components, with other toxic environmental effects
Then a swing towards nuclear to meet the charge up demands .

Where as oil its just a hole in the ground , most already drilled .

It will all come out in the wash ......or atmosphere

 

[Dino]

Having worked in the EV world for a few years up until 2 years ago, I have a fairly good insight into the industry. As Portofino mentions, the mining of battery materials like lithium is an issue. They have no hope of delivering enough battery raw materials to even meet half of the 2030 targets. There simply isn’t enough supply globally. There is also huge growth in solar and this needs battery storage and a high percentage of the battery manufacturing is going towards solar rather than EV’s.
The whole green agenda is important but sometimes I think it has been created in order to create jobs and line pockets.
Funnily enough, I now work in the solar area.

 

[Bristolfashion]

Well, protecting the environment that we all depend on for our survival may rank just slightly above pootling about in a leisure boat.

There are some really good early steps being taken and by the time compulsion enters the picture, there will, no doubt, be good, safe replacements available.

Yachts with electric propulsion are in testing / early adopter stages (Jimmy Cornell is planning a complete circumnavigation in an electric cat) and electric narrow boats are in production. Other technologies will surely emerge.

 

[ari]

OK peeps. here we go. We are told we cant buy a diesel or petrol car after 2030.

Do you honestly believe that will happen? Go and stand on a bridge over the M25 and try and imagine the infrastructure (creation and supply of electricity, creation of the components required to make batteries ) required to keep all of those cars running daily. Then try and scale that up to every car in the country!

 

[ari]

Well, protecting the environment that we all depend on for our survival may rank just slightly above pootling about in a leisure boat.

Do you think our survival rests on a minuscule (compared to world population) amount leisure boats that are used for a handful of hours a year no longer being used? I'm more inclined to think it won't make one jot of difference, but I'm no expert

 

[kashurst]

I can see river and lake boats being encouraged to switch to electric - the arrival of more and more electric cars will make this more affordable in future. Second hand motors and batteries would work well. There are classic car converters already doing this to old cars. Upside no fumes, no exhaust, very quiet, no vibration and very cheap to run. Have a generator on board just in case.

Planing sea boats will be using diesel/petrol for a long time - maybe some places will ban them or phase them out like the Lake District enforced a speed limit. Fortunately most people have absolutely no idea just how much diesel they use so I doubt any one will be too bothered. Plus most boats don't go out that much or go very far. Once there is a viable solution for lorries, Volvo and co may start marinising that for new boats.

I'm not worried.