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A little while back now there was a post what I wrote about how taking RYA courses was a way of improving sailing standards (and at the time sailing behaviour). It caused a minor furore where we were split effectively into two camps.

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The spluttering "I've sailed for 35 years - how will it make me a better sailor" and the inevitable look down the nose with the "only zero to hero" disparaging comment.

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They're a good thing. I took them and I'm proud of being a Yachtmaster.

Frankly, I can see both points.

However, here maybe, is another arguement in favour:

1. There is a post elsewhere about whether self inflating life jackets work. A lot of people said theirs didn't (including me).

2. In her YM column the lovely Libby makes a well argued point that a lot of equipment on board our yachts has never been used in anger and that we would probably get in quite a pickle if we did use it. Substituting use for "fake safety".

3. In that same august tome, there is an article on fire extinguishers - one of which failed to operate completely (and miraculously, still scored 1 star - how on earth does the author justify that?)

4. Also in YM is a letter which mentions a malfunctioning flare where the user looked down the business end!

Life being what it is - most of us would never think of testing this type of kit, seeing what happens if...etc etc - we're too lazy by and large. Then we come to the crunch and use it in anger - when we're really under stress.... and it doesn't work how we expected. Result - possible ultimate disaster.

At least having completed these courses I've jumped in the pool with my lifejacket on and it failed to operate - I didn't have to panic - merely pull the ripcord. When the liferaft didn't go off at the first yank - we just yanked it harder. When I let off the flares, I could come to terms with their light, heat, sparks and smoke.

I haven't let off a fire extinguisher - perhaps I should.

So, even on this basis, it would seem to me that sailing courses (despite their sort of "manufactured" situations) are very worthwhile.

I may have been a zero and I may not now be a hero but at least I'm not a dumbo.

(Hows that for copy writing Ken?/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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If wanting to learn ...

If wanting to learn or develop skills by courses or whatever is a no-no - then something is definitely wrong.

I have mucked about on boats like a lot here since a child, I spent 17yrs on ships, I have a survey company etc. etc. and 3 boats ...........

I can say with hand on heart - that I am not going on a Yacht Course - BUT I would be first to applaud those that seriously want to for increasing their skills and knowledge. Too many are going on boats and think that's all there is to it ...... buy and go !

I don't know half what I should - maybe I should change my mind about sailing schools ....... but ????????


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I have never had a lesson but I have read an awful lot and tried to imagine myself in the particular situations that were described. I also want to do things properly.

Therefore I believe that this forum constitutes an important part of my training. I have learnt things here and have tried to add my tuppence worth where I could.

The important thing is never to lose a sense of respect for the sea and never become complacent.

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Re: If wanting to learn ...

The way I look at training is , If they can be HELPED to enjoy their boat safely, be told,shown and tried safely HOW to do what they need to and are told the pit falls to watch for. That training has been worth while.
It takes years to learn that on your own!

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Re: If wanting to learn ...

Life is a hard taskmaster....
It hands out the punishment first,
and teaches the lesson afterwards....

(well, something like that -- a bit cheesy anyway...)

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Re: copywriting marks

Only four out of ten i'm afraid. The post bored me to death. What was the point your were trying to make? Be braver, more concise, perhaps rude or funny to force your point. And for the final gag - make it easier to read i.e. :

I may have been a "zero" - and I may not be a hero. But at least I'm not a Dumbo!

Hope this helps :)




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Is your name Ken?

The fact that it is not tells me you cannot read and this in turn should give you a clue as to why you couldn't see the point of the post.

Keep your rude comments to yourself.

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Re: Is your name Ken?

Ooh. But - that'll teach you not to show off eh? My post was in jest. But if you need to communicate individually - rather than show off - do so other than on a "forum" - it's open season here - anyone can respond to anything, see?

Seriously - you seemed to think that your copywriting was rather wonderful, almost professional. It isn't, and saying so isn't rude - it's just the truth. Hope this helps.



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After umpteen years in boats I went on a sailing course which I found a bit of a curate's egg. I did none of the things you've mentioned but maybe there's a case for a course doing proper practical things like you say - inflating life rafts etc.

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Glad to see you got the point of the post bill.

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Bad mood?

Nah. I just don't like people who throw their weight around without any justification.

Shall we drop the subject now. Or will you want the last word...again.

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Now

who's in a bad mood then?

We had a great time thanks.

That's it, there is no more.

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What a pity that what started as a serious post sank into the gutter of throwing insults at one another.
I reckon I might have been sailing and motor cruising as long if not longer than anyone else in this thread and I am still learning. I probably have as many qualifications and awards as anybody else here - and I am still learning. The day I stop learning will be the day that I walk ashore with an anchor over my shoulder and keep walking until somebody asks me "what is that thing you are carrying?"
If you are not aware of how everything works on the boat you are no good as a skipper, and should hand over to somebody else. If you have never fired a flare, inflated a lifejacket or liferaft or have never set off a fire extinguisher it's about time you did. There's a course for everything. Try one, and see.
As for the sailor with xyz years of experience who reckons he knows it all - I have examined a few over the last 30 years and believe me when you come across one of those who cannot tie a bowline you rapidly lose faith in "experience".
Well done Magic Sailor, and I think you are on the right lines. Done a diesel engine maintenance course yet?

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Hi

Sorry about that.

No, I haven't but I do have an "old fashioned" electronic engineering background (which included a year of mechanical eng and of course back then all the lads wanted their (my) Ford Anglia to be a rally car!) - so engines aren't a problem for me. Just to make sure I thoroughly serviced mine before we left earlier this year.

However, I think that a diesel course would be a good idea.

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