How is it in Holyhead

**** in Preston. My boat is facing West, and it's usually fine. Just got back from London to find half the cabin soaked.

If there's a particularly strong gust up her backside, then the hatch blows forward a bit. Not much, but just enough to open a small gap, which relentless driving rain can get in to.

Also, wind from astern creates a right racket under her tail.

Holyhead must be pretty grim at the moment.
 
Boat on the moorings. Anchor cut through the line then drifted on the rocks and got trapped under the bridge, was then towed to the slip and sank near the slip
 
tom_sail said:
see here.

Original thread: here.
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While i understand the loss of the boat is very unfortunate i have concerns that two trained men risked thier lives to try to prevent what is only a boat from sinking.

While i understand they may well have training to deal with emergencies they could not possibly fortell would could happen during the storm.

I would think in terms of an investigation to find out why these two men thought it was a responsible act to try to prevent the boat sinking during a storm and to re-train them so they understand they never put thier lives on the line for the sake of any boat.
 
I understand your concerns however not all of us have been brought up under the umbrella of "health & safety" and just react to a situation.
many years ago when working in the industry I carried out many a boat rescue due to mooring failure, always in horrendous seas and always carried a very sharp axe on the work boat for severing tow ropes in case the "casualty" slipped below the waves. never crossed our minds that we could have ended up in davey jones locker. Lifejackets of course,they were always kept in the bow locker behind the rusted solid padlock in case someone nicked them!
Aye, them were the days when work was exciting!
 
Ben Dockrell 22 said:
While i understand the loss of the boat is very unfortunate i have concerns that two trained men risked thier lives to try to prevent what is only a boat from sinking.

While i understand they may well have training to deal with emergencies they could not possibly fortell would could happen during the storm.

I would think in terms of an investigation to find out why these two men thought it was a responsible act to try to prevent the boat sinking during a storm and to re-train them so they understand they never put thier lives on the line for the sake of any boat.
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I'm based in said marina and I know, some by name, some by sight and all by reputation, the courageous RNLI guys in question. Perhaps I should introduce you such that you can offer your views? I hope you have a "thick skin". Were you a first-hand witness to the event and their selfless actions or are you just an armchair expert?
 
let's take it easy on this Ben D chap. He, by his own account, has very recently come to sailing, so will not be aware of the 'rules' and traditions which govern our activities.


That said, I hope he learns from what people have said, and is prepared to join in and help if he comes across people or property in distress.
 
Ben Dockrell 22 said:
While i understand the loss of the boat is very unfortunate i have concerns that two trained men risked thier lives to try to prevent what is only a boat from sinking.

While i understand they may well have training to deal with emergencies they could not possibly fortell would could happen during the storm.

I would think in terms of an investigation to find out why these two men thought it was a responsible act to try to prevent the boat sinking during a storm and to re-train them so they understand they never put thier lives on the line for the sake of any boat.
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What absolute tosh...

If they really thought there life's where on the line for a boat would they have done it?

They tried to help save some ones pride and joy.

IN doing so they got a bit of practice in for the day some ones life is on the line. Learned a couple of lessons that may help some one else out of sh&t the next time.

Many things afloat appear dangerous, many things we take as routine are dangerous.

If you had to do a Risk Analysis of sailing to industrial standards :eek:

Hard Hats, Protective shoes gloves, Protective clothes, lifejackets, paper work :eek:

PLEASE PLEASE do not start letting sailing going down this line...
 
H&S

I agree totally. Please do not let the RNLI go the same route of the police doing risk estimates before taking action to save life. H&S risk analysis has gone MAD, certainly far beyond what is sensible. This comes from a person who worked in the safety field for more than 40 years.
 
Grajan said:
I understand your concerns however not all of us have been brought up under the umbrella of "health & safety" and just react to a situation.
many years ago when working in the industry I carried out many a boat rescue due to mooring failure, always in horrendous seas and always carried a very sharp axe on the work boat for severing tow ropes in case the "casualty" slipped below the waves. never crossed our minds that we could have ended up in davey jones locker. Lifejackets of course,they were always kept in the bow locker behind the rusted solid padlock in case someone nicked them!
Aye, them were the days when work was exciting!
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Hello Grajan :)

I agree to a degree, even in basic first aid we are taught to make sure its safe to approach the casualty in order not to become a casualty.

Please note in my post i comment in terms of a boat being a boat and not worth taking life threatening risks for, it cannot be regarded in the same breath as a human life,there is personel judgement involved as you know, this is my view after 49 years of being on planet earth.

The winds are high and whistling around the marina as i type, another stormy day.

You all be careful out there today :)
 
davidjackson said:
I'm based in said marina and I know, some by name, some by sight and all by reputation, the courageous RNLI guys in question. Perhaps I should introduce you such that you can offer your views? I hope you have a "thick skin". Were you a first-hand witness to the event and their selfless actions or are you just an armchair expert?
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Let me just say "Armchair expert" is hardly fair on anyone of 49 years of age. its a generlisation which at best describes the target of it as not knowing enough to make fair comment on what is above all a public domain website designed for the use of the public,so one has to bear this in mind when posting ?

I could choose to say its like being upset about a comment you have heard made on any form of public media, the answer has always been if you dont like it you tune into another channel or turn the telly / radio off ?
 
Ben Dockrell 22 said:
While i understand the loss of the boat is very unfortunate i have concerns that two trained men risked thier lives to try to prevent what is only a boat from sinking.

While i understand they may well have training to deal with emergencies they could not possibly fortell would could happen during the storm.

I would think in terms of an investigation to find out why these two men thought it was a responsible act to try to prevent the boat sinking during a storm and to re-train them so they understand they never put thier lives on the line for the sake of any boat.
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I know the area in question and it's unlikely that they could have been at too serious a risk.
 
savageseadog said:
I know the area in question and it's unlikely that they could have been at too serious a risk.
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I agree it's in a big habour, I get the impression the boat sunk a couple of meters away from the lifeboat station. In a north easterly the boat will be drift towards the Marina and away from the habour wall/entrance.

Plus the fact it all happened below one of the largest Coast guard stations in north west Britain.

Don't forget it's a news paper for the general public. News papers love to hype the misfortune of "rich, gin drinking, multiple millionaire yacht owners"
 
tom_sail said:
I agree it's in a big habour, I get the impression the boat sunk a couple of meters away from the lifeboat station......
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yep, the news report in an earlier link stated the yacht was hitting the marina's pontoon bridge which, although being quite a large one, is very close to shore......:)
 
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