Holyhead Marina

savageseadog said:
It's a Stena site as in Stena Line the fery people, the whole of Holyhead Harbour is although I can't say for sure if the Crown Estates are involved as well or not. The Marina area is leased from Stena.
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OK. I imagine if they're sub-leasing it to the marina they won't want them walking off leaving the seabed foul.
 
Latest PBO reports the marina owners state delays in salvage due to insurers concerned as to whom pays for lifting of uninsured boats.
Surely if the marina allowed uninsured boats to use the facilities then they as marina operators they owe a duty to those "insured" and responsibility falls on them as operators to pick up the tab.
The delay can only be down to the marina operators or the marina insurers who do not appear as yet to have surfaced(bad pun sorry)
I might be missing something but a nightmare to those who wish to look for a replacement vessel.
Have boat insurers paid any claims out yet?
 
Granted, the Marina should perhaps have asked for sight of the insurance policies, not many Marinas do in my experience, but the boat owners will have signed to say they did have third party insurance at least .
 
It maybe that some owners only had minimal third party cover which didn't extend to salvage costs, so they met the requirement for insurance but have no cover for the costs of removing wreckage. Bit of a nightmare for the marina operators as the wreckage of these uninsured boats seems to be blocking further clearance operations. In the end, I suspect that the marina insurers will find themselves having to pay to clear the uninsured wrecks in order to allow the marina to be reinstated but it wouldn't surprise me to see them pursuing uninsured owners for the eventual costs.

The marina operators have no responsibility in this in terms of allowing customers to use their facilities whilst uninsured. I would expect their terms and conditions to include a requirement for third party cover to a sum of £xx (usually £3-5m): by accepting the marina contract a boat owner explicitly accepts the need for this cover. Where things may have gone awry is that the marina operators might not have also specified the requirement for salvage cover. Even so, the responsibility for salvage costs will eventually lie with the boat owner.
 
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Sandyshore said:
Latest PBO reports the marina owners state delays in salvage due to insurers concerned as to whom pays for lifting of uninsured boats.
Surely if the marina allowed uninsured boats to use the facilities then they as marina operators they owe a duty to those "insured" and responsibility falls on them as operators to pick up the tab.
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Harbour regulations required 3rd party insurance, but as I have learnt on this thread. 3rd party insurance does not always include wreck removal.

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duncan99210 said:
It maybe that some owners only had minimal third party cover which didn't extend to salvage costs, so they met the requirement for insurance but have no cover for the costs of removing wreckage. Bit of a nightmare for the marina operators as the wreckage of these uninsured boats seems to be blocking further clearance operations. In the end, I suspect that the marina insurers will find themselves having to pay to clear the uninsured wrecks in order to allow the marina to be reinstated but it wouldn't surprise me to see them pursuing uninsured owners for the eventual costs.

The marina operators have no responsibility in this in terms of allowing customers to use their facilities whilst uninsured. I would expect their terms and conditions to include a requirement for third party cover to a sum of £xx (usually £3-5m): by accepting the marina contract a boat owner explicitly accepts the need for this cover. Where things may have gone awry is that the marina operators might not have also specified the requirement for salvage cover. Even so, the responsibility for salvage costs will eventually lie with the boat owner.
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I would imagine there is a valid counterclaim that the marina failed to provide the shelter that yacht ownerss were paying for.
With hindsight, anyone owning a significant capital item like a yacht really ought to be insuring it.
The extra cost over 3rd party is generally not that much, in the context of being able to afford a marina berth.
 
lw395 said:
I would imagine there is a valid counterclaim that the marina failed to provide the shelter that yacht ownerss were paying for.
With hindsight, anyone owning a significant capital item like a yacht really ought to be insuring it.
The extra cost over 3rd party is generally not that much, in the context of being able to afford a marina berth.
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I agree with what you're saying but, for those boating on a shoestring, there's the add on survey cost every few years and some boats would be refused fully comp until brought up to standard which maybe they can't afford.
 
lw395 said:
I would imagine there is a valid counterclaim that the marina failed to provide the shelter that yacht ownerss were paying for.
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Thinking about this statement I checked back to berthing agreements with two of the leading marina groups. In neither is there any suggestion that the marina owners are providing shelter, merely allocating a berth at the relevant marina. One agreement went the other way, parking is at boat owners risk in all respects. The other had some mumbo about excluding the marina from all sorts of problems which included adverse weather.
 
You are very good fo'c'sle lawyers boys.

I would advise the owners of worthless sunken wrecks to deny ownership.

They should say, 'Sure I used to own it, but I sold it to a guy in the pub. He offered £1,500 cash and I snatched his hand off.'

'What guy?'

'I dunno, some guy in the pub.'
 
penberth3 said:
And I suspect there's some small print about extreme events, "force majeure" or something like that.
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There's bound to be a court case before too long, no doubt along the lines of not fit for purpose or something similar to determine if any fault. What's going to happen with the wrecks? Metal (keels engines etc) can be salvaged and weighed in but what about the hulls, landfill?
 
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a marina on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. And that one sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp.

But will the fourth one stay up?
 
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