Holyhead Marina

vyv_cox said:
BBC Wales did a piece on it last night. Confusing messages received - the marina say that recovery of the sunken yachts is the responsibility of the owners but the Facebook page says the equipment hired by the owners for recovery was prevented from being used by the port owners. The equipment being used by the marina is only recovering the pontoons as far as I can understand.
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Perhaps the marina (or the marina's insurers) want to get all their pontoons recovered before letting salvage operators for boat owners on site. It wouldn't be wholly unreasonable - there could be all sorts of possibilities for damage and confusion if recovery was a free for all. I'm mildly surprised that the marina isn't organising the whole thing, though.
 
vyv_cox said:
BBC Wales did a piece on it last night. Confusing messages received - the marina say that recovery of the sunken yachts is the responsibility of the owners but the Facebook page says the equipment hired by the owners for recovery was prevented from being used by the port owners. The equipment being used by the marina is only recovering the pontoons as far as I can understand.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=holyhead marina disaster
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Classic catch 22 Marina is telling yacht owners to make own arrangements to recover yachts but not letting them because boats are still attached to sunken concrete pontoons owned by Marina......
 
TSB240 said:
Classic catch 22 Marina is telling yacht owners to make own arrangements to recover yachts but not letting them because boats are still attached to sunken concrete pontoons owned by Marina......
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Probably still charging for mooring fees then?
 
Just saw this note on the Holyhead Disaster Facebook group.
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I have had this information forwarded to me:

"Despite reports to the contrary, and despite Holyhead Marina's statements that they stand together with their berth holders, solicitors representing them and their insurers have stated:

We have confirmed the position with our underwriter clients and their insured, Holyhead Marina Limited. They have advised us that they have not agreed to pay for the additional cranes that your clients are requesting to assist in the wreck removal operations.

This means that they will not pay to raise and remove their property- pontoons and pillars etc. from on top of the remaining sunken boats, preventing the boats from being recovered."
 
Jcorstorphine said:
Just saw this note on the Holyhead Disaster Facebook group.
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I have had this information forwarded to me:

"Despite reports to the contrary, and despite Holyhead Marina's statements that they stand together with their berth holders, solicitors representing them and their insurers have stated:

We have confirmed the position with our underwriter clients and their insured, Holyhead Marina Limited. They have advised us that they have not agreed to pay for the additional cranes that your clients are requesting to assist in the wreck removal operations.

This means that they will not pay to raise and remove their property- pontoons and pillars etc. from on top of the remaining sunken boats, preventing the boats from being recovered."
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This probably means that such boats are total losses.
TBH, this may be for the best from an owners' perspective?
The marina will probalby need to clear the wreckage in order to rebuild..
Assuming rebuilding is likely to happen?
 
lw395 said:
This probably means that such boats are total losses.
TBH, this may be for the best from an owners' perspective?
The marina will probalby need to clear the wreckage in order to rebuild..
Assuming rebuilding is likely to happen?
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If the Marina is rebuilt in a similar format, I wonder what would be the situation with getting insurance. I remember the problems with Rhu Marina and the original floating breakwater failing to protect the pontoons and the insurance companies declaring the area unsafe. In the end, the final solution was a solid breakwater.
 
Jcorstorphine said:
Just saw this note on the Holyhead Disaster Facebook group.
Quote.
I have had this information forwarded to me:

"Despite reports to the contrary, and despite Holyhead Marina's statements that they stand together with their berth holders, solicitors representing them and their insurers have stated:

We have confirmed the position with our underwriter clients and their insured, Holyhead Marina Limited. They have advised us that they have not agreed to pay for the additional cranes that your clients are requesting to assist in the wreck removal operations.

This means that they will not pay to raise and remove their property- pontoons and pillars etc. from on top of the remaining sunken boats, preventing the boats from being recovered."
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This is more positive information from the HHSC FB Group.

Good evening. I am the sailing sec at Holyhead SC .
As most people probably aware- there is no longer at this time marina berthing at Holyhead after the devastating storm Emma 4 weeks ago. However HSC have swinging moorings available from 1st April for members and for visitors. We at HSC would appreciate if visitors could phone the clubhouse before arrival.
There is lots of salvage and diving work underway in the marina vacinity - but we are still here and the fantastic waters around our north wales coastline still accessible. We have a launch service running to and from our moorings from 1st april.
Our phone number is
01407 762526.
Many thanks .
Dawn Russell
Hon Sailing Sec.
Holyhead SC

However they only have 10 visitor moorings plus any vacant members moorings. They are welcoming the ISORA fleet in May and will probably be fully booked for around that time.
 
lw395 said:
This probably means that such boats are total losses.
TBH, this may be for the best from an owners' perspective?
The marina will probalby need to clear the wreckage in order to rebuild..
Assuming rebuilding is likely to happen?
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Not so sure about that, those who have an "agreed value" policy may have a better chance of payout than those whose insurers would normally want to establish the value/condition of the boat prior to sinking - a bit difficult to say the least. As for the future, unless a breakwater is installed, I would think obtaining insurance for the marina and boat owners based there, particularly in winter, will be difficult.
 
Some pretty horrible pictures of sunken boats being recovered from the water.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1783651691942748/
It turns out that quite a few were insured third party only. This has resulted in a stand off between owners and Marina insurance regarding who pays for recovery. Still lots to be recovered from off the harbour floor. Heartening to see some personal treasures being recovered.

I am getting some unofficial news which suggests that a lot of the marina mooring gear and steel work will be left on the Harbour bottom possibly for a long time. This will make it impossible to use this area at anchor. It would have been an option if the 10 sailing club visitor moorings were fully occupied. I'm afraid Holyhead will be off our weekend visiting list for some time.
 
TSB240 said:
Some pretty horrible pictures of sunken boats being recovered from the water.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1783651691942748/
It turns out that quite a few were insured third party only. This has resulted in a stand off between owners and Marina insurance regarding who pays for recovery. Still lots to be recovered from off the harbour floor. Heartening to see some personal treasures being recovered.

I am getting some unofficial news which suggests that a lot of the marina mooring gear and steel work will be left on the Harbour bottom possibly for a long time. This will make it impossible to use this area at anchor. It would have been an option if the 10 sailing club visitor moorings were fully occupied. I'm afraid Holyhead will be off our weekend visiting list for some time.
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It annoys me that you can't access bits and pieces on facebook without being a member, I'm not prepared to join. I think forum members should consider that when citing facebook pages.
 
TSB240 said:
It turns out that quite a few were insured third party only. This has resulted in a stand off between owners and Marina insurance regarding who pays for recovery.
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I insure third party with Basic Boat, which includes wreck removal. Is that not the case for other insurers?
 
TSB240 said:
I am getting some unofficial news which suggests that a lot of the marina mooring gear and steel work will be left on the Harbour bottom possibly for a long time. This will make it impossible to use this area at anchor. It would have been an option if the 10 sailing club visitor moorings were fully occupied. I'm afraid Holyhead will be off our weekend visiting list for some time.
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To be fair if they're forking out to the Crown Estates then it is their site. I'd be surprised though if they'd be allowed to leave their gear down there if they abandon the site.
 
TSB240 said:
Some pretty horrible pictures of sunken boats being recovered from the water.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1783651691942748/
It turns out that quite a few were insured third party only. This has resulted in a stand off between owners and Marina insurance regarding who pays for recovery. Still lots to be recovered from off the harbour floor. Heartening to see some personal treasures being recovered.

I am getting some unofficial news which suggests that a lot of the marina mooring gear and steel work will be left on the Harbour bottom possibly for a long time. This will make it impossible to use this area at anchor. It would have been an option if the 10 sailing club visitor moorings were fully occupied. I'm afraid Holyhead will be off our weekend visiting list for some time.
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I would imagine those insured TPO will be hoping for recompense from the marina's insurers?
I do have one of my boats insured TPO, but it's a low value which I could survive the loss of.
Are we talking about policies which revert to TPO if you leave the boat aflost all winter?
 
lpdsn said:
To be fair if they're forking out to the Crown Estates then it is their site. I'd be surprised though if they'd be allowed to leave their gear down there if they abandon the site.
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It's a Stena site as in Stena Line the fery people, the whole of Holyhead Harbour is although I can't say for sure if the Crown Estates are involved as well or not. The Marina area is leased from Stena.
 
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savageseadog said:
It annoys me that you can't access bits and pieces on facebook without being a member, I'm not prepared to join. I think forum members should consider that when citing facebook pages.
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If only this forum was as good as facebook for sharing pictures and information. I am afraid that you are missing out on much more. You just need to understand how to set up your FB account to avoid the classic pitfalls. (This is being made easier by FB as a result of cambridge analytica fiasco.)

Incidentally some FB Uk boating closed groups are attracting larger and larger memberships because of the ease of communication and sharing of common interests. I am member of a number that include our yacht club, specialist groups for berth holders and visitors to local marinas, groups set up to provide local information for cruising your region, photographic groups for sharing scenes from my locality.

I see and can put real names to people who have hidden behind some strange "monica" on YBW for years. Many seem to use these groups so much that they have virtually abandoned YBW forums.

I think the YBW forums age profile is probably like the conservative party... Most of that membership will be dead in a few years!

Savagesedog. I will continue to post links to Facebook without mercy. Your problem not mine. Oh I am 63 but I have been recycled 3.315789473684211 times!

Steve
 
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