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The Rustler 36 is probably my favourite Holman & Pye design followed by the Super Sovereign 35.

My favourite designer though is German Frers with his 1980's designs such as the Swan 46 & 53, Beneteau First 435 and 51.
 

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Difficult to choose just one!

If I'm being very fussy, the Bowman 46 isn't anywhere near the top, just based on good looks.

For grp production yachts, the Hustler 35 looks sweeter, to me.

Stellas are lovely: cruiser-racers, for the masses.

Shaker and Whisper, in their different ways, look pretty good!
I raced a Hustler 32 for several years, that was great boat
 

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Have you ever sailed one down wind in a breeze. The Holman roll from the other designs is bad enough, but on the Bowman it is awful. John Wiltshire financed the original moulds & had Muscadet of Harty. I sailed in this & even he admitted that it was a pig down wind.
Back in ‘72 or ‘73 when we had only just stated cruising we anchored nearby Muscadet of Harty at Orford, probably under sail. The owner met us in a shop the next morning and complimented us on our anchoring, which was very chuffing at the time. We had a 22’ Cirrus at the time and looked with awe at his beautiful yawl.
 

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Have you ever sailed one down wind in a breeze. The Holman roll from the other designs is bad enough, but on the Bowman it is awful. John Wiltshire financed the original moulds & had Muscadet of Harty. I sailed in this & even he admitted that it was a pig down wind.
Ha ha, you're quite right, they roll.but then, I’m an XOD sailor. You really haven’t rolled til you’ve tried that. Spinnaker poles often get broken when the corner of the kite goes in the drink. And it seems to be fast like that. Ok, not with a broken pole, but rolling like a sick pig.
 

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Ha ha, you're quite right, they roll.but then, I’m an XOD sailor. You really haven’t rolled til you’ve tried that. Spinnaker poles often get broken when the corner of the kite goes in the drink. And it seems to be fast like that. Ok, not with a broken pole, but rolling like a sick pig.
Tack down wind in my puma 26?
 

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Lots of visual material on YouTube including a couple in Spain completely gutting a 26 and rebuilding the bulkheads that had delaminated so on my inspection I will first have a look at the structure and avoid being distracted by radars and glitzy hardware
 

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Tack down wind in my puma 26?
You might not find it necessary from a rolling perspective, but it’s usually quicker if you use a cruising chute. Rolling uncomfortably doesn't happen with every boat, but some are renowned for it. The XOD is the worst I have come across, probably because nobody wants to ease the kite and back off, it's a race. You’ll be out for a jolly in the sunshine, not trying to win a bit of tin in Cowes.
 

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The Rustler 36 is probably my favourite Holman & Pye design followed by the Super Sovereign 35.

My favourite designer though is German Frers with his 1980's designs such as the Swan 46 & 53, Beneteau First 435 and 51.


I like Frers, there was a cracking one off for sale some years ago but I lost the photo's.

As for Holman & Pye, I always thought the Northney 34 was a very bonnie boat..

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Very much a stretched Twister I think?



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There was a lot of Don Pye in the R36 and not so much Kim. So they do say ..
As you scale up and up from a Folkboat you have to work quite hard and tweak things to retain the sweet spot whilst gaining beam and volume , juggling linear area and volumetric wrt the hydrodynamics ..
 

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I always liked the look of the Oyster 485 myself. Not quite as classic looking as some of the older ones mentioned above, but they just look like a nice well-balanced yacht.
 

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I like Frers, there was a cracking one off for sale some years ago but I lost the photo's.

As for Holman & Pye, I always thought the Northney 34 was a very bonnie boat..

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Very much a stretched Twister I think?



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My late parents fitted out a Northerny 34 in the late 1960's named Tarantara. I have been told she is still on Scotland west coast from another owner I spoke to in Ardfern. Much better row away view than a Twister in my opinion.

As to Herman Frers, he trained at Sparkman and Stephens. My parents also had a Frers designed Somo 34, built in Spain and I believe she was the only one in the UK.
SailboatData.com - SOMO 34 Sailboat
 

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My HR is a Frers design, which may explain its good manners, though I can’t claim to be able to recognise his style. Holman boats all have an elegantly curved prow, which continued with the later Pye designs.
 

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No,basically any boat we can afford that will after a while get to windward,actually most of the ría sailing is reaching in flat water in the summer but to go north it normally means a beat to get to the next ría in lumpy seas
Grp folkboat
With outboard
On or not on a trailer
Sorted
.. and moving on… ?
 
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