Danny_Labrador
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Surprised that nobody has spotted this about
HM Coastguard yet or has it been posted below and I have missed it ?
HM Coastguard yet or has it been posted below and I have missed it ?
HM Coastguard
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MoodySabre
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Oh dear. How long before they call off the search after a fixed perod unless family want to pay £xxx an hour to continue?
If they are not doing it to save money then why are they doing it. I can understand why some services are contracted out and work better for it but not this. I think it stinks, particularly in view of the fact that the RNLI receives no government money. I've never understood why these functions aren't all dealt with under one hat.
If they are not doing it to save money then why are they doing it. I can understand why some services are contracted out and work better for it but not this. I think it stinks, particularly in view of the fact that the RNLI receives no government money. I've never understood why these functions aren't all dealt with under one hat.
jhr
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I thought they'd been talking about this for yonks. Isn't India Juliet already part of a contract with Bristow?
Koeketiene
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I mentioned this just a bit ago on PBO R2R with regards to EPIRB response times.
It's all about the money /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif You need to count the pennies the whole time. Whilst the beancounters are figuring out if it's worthwhile to send out a helo people may be dying.
How do you privatise (and hence make a profit from) safety? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
NuLabour has form here - a couple of years ago they privatised air traffic control and since then the number of near misses has increased dramamatically. It's only a matter of time /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Even Thatcher in her hay day never dreamed of this.
There are certain things any civilised government should provide for it's citizens and pay for out of general taxations. And air traffic control and SAR are on that list!!
It's all about the money /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif You need to count the pennies the whole time. Whilst the beancounters are figuring out if it's worthwhile to send out a helo people may be dying.
How do you privatise (and hence make a profit from) safety? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
NuLabour has form here - a couple of years ago they privatised air traffic control and since then the number of near misses has increased dramamatically. It's only a matter of time /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Even Thatcher in her hay day never dreamed of this.
There are certain things any civilised government should provide for it's citizens and pay for out of general taxations. And air traffic control and SAR are on that list!!
Sixpence
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Is there any way of protesting against it without doing one of those petition things they seem so keen on , and without waiting for the next election ?
stephenh
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Ch 16
"Mayday x 3, Solent Coastguard x 3, This is Yacht AWB x 3 We are on fire and sinking , our position is ...."
" Hello Yacht AWB, this is Solent Coastguard, may we have your credit card details please."
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"Mayday x 3, Solent Coastguard x 3, This is Yacht AWB x 3 We are on fire and sinking , our position is ...."
" Hello Yacht AWB, this is Solent Coastguard, may we have your credit card details please."
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Boathook
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Should be the same for non RNLI members. Especially those on the beach who feel that the RNLI is for boaters and not beach go'ers ....
upthesolent
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It beggars belief! I think in the long term, no financial savings will be made by Government and that the service will go downhill. I believe additional lives will be lost.
There's plenty of blue in my political blood, but somethings - and this is one - should be left run as they are. The rescue services have evolved into a special and unique body which cannot be replicated on a commercial basis.
Another thing he's buggered up. Thanks Tony!
There's plenty of blue in my political blood, but somethings - and this is one - should be left run as they are. The rescue services have evolved into a special and unique body which cannot be replicated on a commercial basis.
Another thing he's buggered up. Thanks Tony!
chuckaduck
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Will they do pay as you sink ££££££££
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Seven Spades
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I am a true blue too, but something are better not privatised. I have voted against every de-mutualisation as it has not been in any members interest to de-mutulaise least of all those of us with mortages. In the end short term benifits out weighed those of the long term and we have seen the margins between saving rates and mortgage rates increase accordingly.
Consequently, I oppose this.
The only thing that could be run more efficently in the private sector would be the NHS, not that the problems are within the hospitals, it is the huge number of administrator staff who seem to be involved from the Department of health to the PCT's etc etc. Privatisation could remove all these layers and would result in a much better service for all.
Consequently, I oppose this.
The only thing that could be run more efficently in the private sector would be the NHS, not that the problems are within the hospitals, it is the huge number of administrator staff who seem to be involved from the Department of health to the PCT's etc etc. Privatisation could remove all these layers and would result in a much better service for all.
halcyon
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A few years back one of my employees husband was air crew ( dope on the rope )on SAR at Culdrose. At the time it was classed as a two year max training post, so the Navy paid wages, Board of trade paid helo costs. That is three crews plus three Seakings, 1 on duty, 1 on standby, 1 off duty. As air crew he was also a diver, and had to do so much diving a week as part of the job. The other thing was the Navy divers can jump from 60 foot ( from memory ) if need be to get to casualty in water, and carry diving gear, nice to know if boat is inverted.
So are we getting rid of Navy / RAF SAR crews ? if so who does Navy / RAF requirements for SAR in war zones ? if we are keeping them we only save Helo cost, and carry on training sevice crews, and are the private firms going to carry divers ?
We wait and see.
Brian
So are we getting rid of Navy / RAF SAR crews ? if so who does Navy / RAF requirements for SAR in war zones ? if we are keeping them we only save Helo cost, and carry on training sevice crews, and are the private firms going to carry divers ?
We wait and see.
Brian
blackbeard
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Obviously I don't know enough to comments on details. All I can say is that, based on my own experience so far as it goes, privatisation of services to the public on the grounds of greater efficiency and better value for money have failed to deliver.
IMHO.
IMHO.
rhumlady
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I wonder, if they think privtisation is such a good thing, why not privtise Tony and Gordons jobs?
Koeketiene
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I wonder, if they think privtisation is such a good thing, why not privtise Tony and Gordons jobs?
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What do you mean?
Sell it to the highest bidder? Like a peerage?
I wonder, if they think privtisation is such a good thing, why not privtise Tony and Gordons jobs?
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What do you mean?
Sell it to the highest bidder? Like a peerage?
Admiral
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Tosca, I am in agreement with most of what you said, but only in part agreement re NHS. It is usually admin in the hospitals not PCTs that waste money. I also see in the newspaper article that Serco are to try and get in on the act. If that happens then the coastguard/rescue service will most definitely go out the window. They have been given the contract for Cornwall out of hours emergency medical care which local doctors used to do, and Serco have made a pigs ear of that, so God knows what they will do to the Coastguard and rescue service.
Birdseye
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Obviously I don't know enough to comments on details. All I can say is that, based on my own experience so far as it goes, privatisation of services to the public on the grounds of greater efficiency and better value for money have failed to deliver.
IMHO.
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That is absolute b***cks! You only need to look at what has happened to your water bills, to the non fuel part of your gas, electric bills, not to mention flight costs and telephone costs to see the savings because most oif them are on rpi minus pricing. Contrast that with the efficiency and prudence of your local authority - mine has increased rates by 9.5% compound every year for the last 15 years.Or the police for that matter.
None of us let facts get in the way of a good opinion /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif but thats going too far!
Personally, I will wait and see what happens with SAR. Looks to me just like an extra costs because the forces are there to be used anyway, and they were the origin of SAR. BUt I can think of nothing which cannot be done more cheaply without the index linked, sick pay encrusted union dominated public sector working practises. Which is not to say that the public wont be taken to the cleaners if the civil servants negotiate the contract with all the flair they have shown in (say) the doctors pay award, or the rail leasing scheme.
Obviously I don't know enough to comments on details. All I can say is that, based on my own experience so far as it goes, privatisation of services to the public on the grounds of greater efficiency and better value for money have failed to deliver.
IMHO.
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That is absolute b***cks! You only need to look at what has happened to your water bills, to the non fuel part of your gas, electric bills, not to mention flight costs and telephone costs to see the savings because most oif them are on rpi minus pricing. Contrast that with the efficiency and prudence of your local authority - mine has increased rates by 9.5% compound every year for the last 15 years.Or the police for that matter.
None of us let facts get in the way of a good opinion /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif but thats going too far!
Personally, I will wait and see what happens with SAR. Looks to me just like an extra costs because the forces are there to be used anyway, and they were the origin of SAR. BUt I can think of nothing which cannot be done more cheaply without the index linked, sick pay encrusted union dominated public sector working practises. Which is not to say that the public wont be taken to the cleaners if the civil servants negotiate the contract with all the flair they have shown in (say) the doctors pay award, or the rail leasing scheme.
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Ch 16
"Mayday x 3, Solent Coastguard x 3, This is Yacht AWB x 3 We are on fire and sinking , our position is ...."
" Hello Yacht AWB, this is Solent Coastguard, may we have your credit card details please."
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Reads just like a Radio 4 Week Ending script aired in the 1980's when Bristow's first got their contract, but just as funny.
Ch 16
"Mayday x 3, Solent Coastguard x 3, This is Yacht AWB x 3 We are on fire and sinking , our position is ...."
" Hello Yacht AWB, this is Solent Coastguard, may we have your credit card details please."
[/ QUOTE ]
Reads just like a Radio 4 Week Ending script aired in the 1980's when Bristow's first got their contract, but just as funny.
brianrunyard
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The only reason a private firm will take it on is to make money.
Whoever gets the contract will want to make big profits on their investment, so it will either cost more for the same service, or cost the same for an inferior service. Probably by reducing the number of helicopter stations and thereby increasing the time to reach the casualty.
Whoever gets the contract will want to make big profits on their investment, so it will either cost more for the same service, or cost the same for an inferior service. Probably by reducing the number of helicopter stations and thereby increasing the time to reach the casualty.
