Heres the reason he climbed the mast to escape

Drug dealers and traffickers are vermin imho.

If this guy was involved in bringing in this filth?, and died, i am pleased.
One less to trafficker is good news.
 
Quite. I am astonished at those defending him and brerating the police.

So a boat gets trashed. It's not ours. A car would be crushed in the same circumstances.

It is purely the traffickers fault.

Perhaps the drugs were only worth £3,000,000. So that's OK then. "Run along sonny, and don't do it again". How many low-life will be shot and stabbed in turf wars? How many users will die? How many ordinary people will be mugged and burgled?

I almost sense that lots of forumites think it's OK to smuggle drugs.
 
Amused by the:

Initially the Border Force had estimated the amount of drugs to be 200kg with an estimated street value of £20million.
This was based on the size of the packages as they were unloaded from the boat. Once they were opened and tested in a lab, the weight was found to be 124kg.
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Really? Or has 76kg been lost in transit and found it's way into someone's pension fund... :rolleyes:
 
Giblets said:
I believe that plod base the value of a drugs haul on the maximum street price (obtained from Parkers Guide To Recreational Substances) in order, as Ken says, to look good in the eyes of their overlords and to impress the media. The actual value of the haul is probably less than a quarter of that stated.
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Of course. Obviously the police/UKBA have massively inflated the value of these drugs to justify killing the drugs dealer.

If the drugs had only been worth £3m then there would be no reason for them to murder the person who was bringing enough drugs into the Country for addicts who steal, burgle, and mug others to fuel their habits then have treatment on the NHS to get them back into hostels and accommodation paid for by the taxpayers who were stolen from, burgled or mugged in the first place.

Luckily, none of my family have suffered from the effects of illegal drugs but unfortunately, I have met many families who have been victims of their nearest and dearest suffering from drug addiction. I hope that none of those with ANY sympathy for the deceased have to go through their father, mother, son, daughter or anyone else dying from a drugs overdose, or grandmother losing their sentimental heirlooms (worth about £5) then being scared in their own home as a result of a burglary by some druggie.

Oh and hopefully you only get boarded by the fascist authorities whilst you are anchored somewhere, rather than by some thieves ransacking your boat whilst you are ashore - or would you report that to the fascists and hope they get your gear back???

OK rant over
 
dslittle said:
OK rant over
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And a jolly good rant to. But doesn't it all just reinforce the argument for making a controlled supply of drugs available through approved sources of supply?

BTW - No one yet has asked what sort of pressure the Dutchman may have been under to attempt to smuggle drugs. Almost certainly some horrid pressure if he preferred to kill himself.

Anyway, this is all getting perilously close to Fred Rift.
 
Twister_Ken said:
And a jolly good rant to. But doesn't it all just reinforce the argument for making a controlled supply of drugs available through approved sources of supply?

BTW - No one yet has asked what sort of pressure the Dutchman may have been under to attempt to smuggle drugs. Almost certainly some horrid pressure if he preferred to kill himself.

Anyway, this is all getting perilously close to Fred Rift.
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Very fair comment - on both counts.
 
dslittle said:
Of course. Obviously the police/UKBA have massively inflated the value of these drugs to justify killing the drugs dealer.

If the drugs had only been worth £3m then there would be no reason for them to murder the person who was bringing enough drugs into the Country for addicts who steal, burgle, and mug others to fuel their habits then have treatment on the NHS to get them back into hostels and accommodation paid for by the taxpayers who were stolen from, burgled or mugged in the first place.

Luckily, none of my family have suffered from the effects of illegal drugs but unfortunately, I have met many families who have been victims of their nearest and dearest suffering from drug addiction. I hope that none of those with ANY sympathy for the deceased have to go through their father, mother, son, daughter or anyone else dying from a drugs overdose, or grandmother losing their sentimental heirlooms (worth about £5) then being scared in their own home as a result of a burglary by some druggie.

Oh and hopefully you only get boarded by the fascist authorities whilst you are anchored somewhere, rather than by some thieves ransacking your boat whilst you are ashore - or would you report that to the fascists and hope they get your gear back???

OK rant over
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Wow. So the UKBF dragged this man to the top of the mast and pushed him off did they? How in gods name do you suggest they murdered him? If they knew he was going to jump off his mast do you think they should have just not bothered to board his boat and let him carry on with his cargo?
 
Woodlouse said:
Wow. So the UKBF dragged this man to the top of the mast and pushed him off did they? How in gods name do you suggest they murdered him? If they knew he was going to jump off his mast do you think they should have just not bothered to board his boat and let him carry on with his cargo?
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Someone is missing his "sarcasm" plug in today.
 
Twister_Ken said:
BTW - No one yet has asked what sort of pressure the Dutchman may have been under to attempt to smuggle drugs. Almost certainly some horrid pressure if he preferred to kill himself.
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Fnaar!

Poor diddums, it must be really awful to be under such unbearable pressure, I feel so sorry for him. Perhaps social services should have given him counselling? Will there be a public enquiry to find out why they failed him so badly? Or perhaps he came from a deprived or broken home so what he did was perfectly alright? Tragic. Utterly tragic.

Me, (and most others I suspect) would have applied as much horrid pressure as I could to assist his jump.
 
MASH said:
Fnaar!

Poor diddums, it must be really awful to be under such unbearable pressure, I feel so sorry for him. Perhaps social services should have given him counselling? Will there be a public enquiry to find out why they failed him so badly? Or perhaps he came from a deprived or broken home so what he did was perfectly alright? Tragic. Utterly tragic.

Me, (and most others I suspect) would have applied as much horrid pressure as I could to assist his jump.
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Just maybe his business was going bust and he was desperate for money to avoid sacking people, or one of his kiddies is addicted and the dealer was threatening to withhold supplies unless he co-operated, or his mum needed $300,000 for life-saving treatment in the USA. You never know. He may not have just been a bad'un.
 
This sort of thing wouldn't happen if we didn't outsource the production, distribution and sale of something that is clearly wanted by people in the UK to some of the nastiest people on the world.

We could then let the men in black get on with something more productive as well as collecting taxes instead of criminalising large section of the population.

Judging by comments on here there are a lot of people who enjoy a few beers or glasses of wine (or both) and I wonder what view would be taken if alcohol was banned and this happened to someone who was smuggling alcohol?

NB before I get flamed by the Daily Mail jihadists as a hippy:

1. I don't and have never have taken recreational or hard drugs other than copious amounts of alcohol.

2. I have a no recreational drugs policy on my boat and I ask those that do use them not to use them 24 hours before boarding.
 
Giblets said:
I believe that plod base the value of a drugs haul on the maximum street price (obtained from Parkers Guide To Recreational Substances) in order, as Ken says, to look good in the eyes of their overlords and to impress the media. The actual value of the haul is probably less than a quarter of that stated.
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it is still 124kg of life ruining, deadly drugs that now wont be distributed on the street. the only thing the IPCC need to do is decide on the size of the medals awarded.

Any appologists mourning for the life of the drug smuggling scum bag can do the world a favour and fall from the top of their own mast.
 
SimonFa,

I agree with all your points !

I have never felt like recreational drugs either and ban their presence on my boat with any likely user.

Seems to me though cannabis ( forget the rest, true madness ) is safer than alcohol, certainly doesn't cause violent behaviour, quite the opposite from what little I know.

Sometimes I wonder what uproar there'd be if someone invented alcohol now and tried to sell it on street corners...
 
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Whitelighter said:
it is still 124kg of life ruining, deadly drugs that now wont be distributed on the street. the only thing the IPCC need to do is decide on the size of the medals awarded.

Any appologists mourning for the life of the drug smuggling scum bag can do the world a favour and fall from the top of their own mast.
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All that wil happen is that suppliers wil make even more money out of their product that does get through or more likely it will just be replaced. We'll never win this war on drugs and the sooner MPs recognise this the sooner we'll get some sanity in to the debate which should be about how we lagalise and regulate drugs.

And it's no use railing against it because society is changing and the upcoming generations will lagalise it eventually.
 
The drugs may have had a £12m street value here but the true value(harvest)is probably about £50k so the multi-billionaire cartels wont give a toss. The captain will not have been fearing for his life if caught, the value is nothing to the drugs lords, he's a disposable asset, nothing more. It only reaches its true value once delivered ashore.

He died, tough sh it.
 
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