halcyon
Well-Known Member
Yes,
Brian
Brian
byron
RIP
Re: Sealine designer
designed by Antoni Gaudi with some influence from Salvador Dali
How unkind but if true someone has been lieing to me because I was told they were designed by that famous Jelly Mould designer Mr T. Upperware.
http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk
designed by Antoni Gaudi with some influence from Salvador Dali
How unkind but if true someone has been lieing to me because I was told they were designed by that famous Jelly Mould designer Mr T. Upperware.
http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk
BarryH
Well-Known Member
Nice looking boat, pity I can't afford one. Not only loose the bimini, but loose the fat git on the flybridge as well! He makes it look smaller than it is!!!!!
BrendanS
Well-Known Member
The CE (Conformité Europeenne) mark appears on products that meet safety standards that apply to all countries of the European Union (EU). It was created under the Single European Act and introduced to facilitate the free movement of goods (and services) within the European Union.
If products (eg boats) are not in compliance and correctly marked they will be seized or returned to manufacturer, by customs.
If products (eg boats) are not in compliance and correctly marked they will be seized or returned to manufacturer, by customs.
Observer
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I guess I'm probably in a minority of one on this but the design does nothing for me at all. I think a 33 footer is simply too small to carry a flybridge. It looks top heavy and must have massive windage, high CoG etc. I know sweet FA about boat design, but how seaworthy woud it be? Most of us may aim to avoid bad weather but sometimes you get caught in it anyway.
I just wouldn't buy a fly of that size. Minimum 50 foot (ish) I think is needed for proportion.
I just wouldn't buy a fly of that size. Minimum 50 foot (ish) I think is needed for proportion.
hlb
RIP
Fraid your minority is in steep decline. There was nothing wrong with the old P33 fly bridge and theres been alot of improvements since then. The Cummins makes it very attractive. Now just add a couple more feet to it and you might even have a customer.
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coliholic
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Intwersting looking boat and I think most of the obvious comments have been made re engines equipment etc. Price is going to be something of a problem if the delivered price in UK is going to be around the £150-180K mark since you're then firmly competing with the likes of the Sealine F33. Despite the carping about Sealine, and I admit to liking the F33 very much, you do get a named boat from an accepted and respected manufacturer. Whereas we don't know anything about this boat really. Not where it's made standard of build etc, so it would have to be at a very competitive price.
Aa year or so back I got the specs of an Italian designed boat, a Lipari 33 that was very similar, albeit maybe a bit older styling. All in price for that is around US$110K with twin 200HP Yanmars diesels on shafts delivered anywhere in Europe for add'l $7,500 and with a very high spec. Even interest free credit over 5 years. If you want to see a crap web page for it, have a look here.
http://www.tinet.ch/odm01/sele-40.html
Thing is when I looked at the specs, and I got a ton more info than is on this website, (anyone interested is welcome to a copy), it was being built in Domincan Republic and I see that now it's being built in Tunisia. How do I feel about the likely quality control issues? Well you guess. Now you might say what's that got to do with this boat, well the piccie they've got on their webiste looks to me a bit like a Red Ensign or maybe the French one, so it'd be easy to jump to the conclusion that it's British\french. Much as some here have done with Finnish. Though that flag also looks a bit what Croatian is it? Maybe puts a different complexion on things?
Or have a look at the Astinor 33 that was at Southampton for £110K built in Spain and got an excellent write up in MBM. This is what you'll be competing against, not the accepted UK builders.
Having said that of course, it looks a nice boat, but a lot more information is needed, especially re the points that the othes have made, especially engines. Definitely forget the petrols for the UK market at least.
Think you need to get them to deliver a demonstrator model. can give you my address if you want.
Aa year or so back I got the specs of an Italian designed boat, a Lipari 33 that was very similar, albeit maybe a bit older styling. All in price for that is around US$110K with twin 200HP Yanmars diesels on shafts delivered anywhere in Europe for add'l $7,500 and with a very high spec. Even interest free credit over 5 years. If you want to see a crap web page for it, have a look here.
http://www.tinet.ch/odm01/sele-40.html
Thing is when I looked at the specs, and I got a ton more info than is on this website, (anyone interested is welcome to a copy), it was being built in Domincan Republic and I see that now it's being built in Tunisia. How do I feel about the likely quality control issues? Well you guess. Now you might say what's that got to do with this boat, well the piccie they've got on their webiste looks to me a bit like a Red Ensign or maybe the French one, so it'd be easy to jump to the conclusion that it's British\french. Much as some here have done with Finnish. Though that flag also looks a bit what Croatian is it? Maybe puts a different complexion on things?
Or have a look at the Astinor 33 that was at Southampton for £110K built in Spain and got an excellent write up in MBM. This is what you'll be competing against, not the accepted UK builders.
Having said that of course, it looks a nice boat, but a lot more information is needed, especially re the points that the othes have made, especially engines. Definitely forget the petrols for the UK market at least.
Think you need to get them to deliver a demonstrator model. can give you my address if you want.
simongoldthorpe
Well-Known Member
Oi 'too small to be a flybridge' indeed.
Ive got a Princess 315 flybridge and it is the most beautiful thing in the world.
'50 ft minimum' you are 'avin a larf presumably.
Ive got a Princess 315 flybridge and it is the most beautiful thing in the world.
'50 ft minimum' you are 'avin a larf presumably.
trev
Well-Known Member
How did someone with so little boating knowlege get involved in this project?
Seems like this post is being used as a cheap consultancy.
Trev
Seems like this post is being used as a cheap consultancy.
Trev
lyc
Well-Known Member
At least the info is coming from real boaters across the spectrum and not some made up group of consultants who probably have never been near a boat. If the market researcher had the boating knowledge then surely he could prejudice the opinions IMHO.
tr7v8
Well-Known Member
Our Draco twincab is a flybridge, albeit a little one and thats only 25'
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ChrisP
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Re: market research
Hi.
JFM's dead right, as the importer it's your responsibility to ensure that it conforms to the directives if you intend to use it or sell it in the EC. Much hard slogging is on the horizon if you go this route. Easier to find European agent and buy through them cos thay have to do all the work as they must sell it with a valid CE mark.
If there is no agent in Europe tread carefully. If you intend to become the agent, enter into serious discussions with the builder to agree a Europeanisation package that will cover the required tests, mod's and documentation for a fixed price.
Hope all goes well,
ChrisP ;o)
What do you mean the sea gull in front's walking !!!
Hi.
JFM's dead right, as the importer it's your responsibility to ensure that it conforms to the directives if you intend to use it or sell it in the EC. Much hard slogging is on the horizon if you go this route. Easier to find European agent and buy through them cos thay have to do all the work as they must sell it with a valid CE mark.
If there is no agent in Europe tread carefully. If you intend to become the agent, enter into serious discussions with the builder to agree a Europeanisation package that will cover the required tests, mod's and documentation for a fixed price.
Hope all goes well,
ChrisP ;o)
What do you mean the sea gull in front's walking !!!
byron
RIP
I think I can answer that. If someone came to my company and asked us to take on the advertising of their product we would have to assign someone to tackle the project. Let's say for a moment it was Angling. If we had no piscatorial gentlemen/ladies on the staff we would select someone and tell them go away and come back with the info. Seems to me that this guy has done so intelligently and ably.
http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk
http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk
G
Guest
Guest
Thanks for the comments, they are really useful.
As the 'where built' question was being asked a lot I have contacted the company looking at this import. The boat is produced in Argentina [hence the colours on the flag] What that means for build quality I don't have the expereince to comment. [other than close encounters with their air force in 1982!]
If anyone does have any experience/comment on an Argentine boat product, then please let me have them.
thanks again, all the comments so far have been really useful.
As the 'where built' question was being asked a lot I have contacted the company looking at this import. The boat is produced in Argentina [hence the colours on the flag] What that means for build quality I don't have the expereince to comment. [other than close encounters with their air force in 1982!]
If anyone does have any experience/comment on an Argentine boat product, then please let me have them.
thanks again, all the comments so far have been really useful.
byron
RIP
The Draco Twincab is in a class of its own cramming 30ft of space into 25ft while retaining its good looks, Lovely boat, look after it because when you are my age you will be able to talk about owning a classic.
http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk
http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk
tcm
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Hola Amigos! (sfx:guitars please...)
taraaa! Hola!!!!! esto es un barco nuevo del flybridge!! No es una llama!! Haha! Pero, es aproximadamente del mismo tamano que una llama.
La comodidad es dos personas a el frente y las dos en la parte posterior. Estoy hablando del barco, no la llama!!!!
haha!!
gracias amigos!!!!!!
taraaa! Hola!!!!! esto es un barco nuevo del flybridge!! No es una llama!! Haha! Pero, es aproximadamente del mismo tamano que una llama.
La comodidad es dos personas a el frente y las dos en la parte posterior. Estoy hablando del barco, no la llama!!!!
haha!!
gracias amigos!!!!!!
G
Guest
Guest
Good question Trev, which I am happy to answer. I know very little about boating, [my previous experience is 17 years in the Royal Marines and 10 years in the police, but recently retired due to injury] I was asked to find out if there was a market for this boat because I have no experience and the info I gathered would come from experienced boat people like yourselves. It was me who choose this forum having bought the magazine and seen that the forum was really active and lively. I thought it would be good to ask your opinion and feed it back [which does not always happen ] and I am grateful for all the comments so far.
The bottom line for me? A weeks work running up towards Christmas, no more..no less, no selling........pass the Port would you?
Kind regards
Brian Short
The bottom line for me? A weeks work running up towards Christmas, no more..no less, no selling........pass the Port would you?
Kind regards
Brian Short
Chris_d
Well-Known Member
If its Argentine, doesn't really matter how good it is, its going to struggle in UK with too many other established names to play safe with.
Agree that Sealine F33 is probably UK benchmark for this, I was offered one by a dealer at the LBS, basic spec' but twin 150hp diesels for 125K ex factory, thats going to be hard for an import to beat, even with an established reputation.
Agree that Sealine F33 is probably UK benchmark for this, I was offered one by a dealer at the LBS, basic spec' but twin 150hp diesels for 125K ex factory, thats going to be hard for an import to beat, even with an established reputation.
Observer
Well-Known Member
Diesel engines
Just been reading the "gas v diesel" analysis on www.yachtsurvey.com (recommended by somebody on another thread). The writer's clear conclusion is that for a boat this size, gas (petrol) is better than diesel. I know petrol is cheap in the US but, over here, there's the option to go for petrols with an LPG conversion.
Why is there so much "bias" in favour of diesel engines - when sound argument and logic points to petrol? (And I speak as owner of a diesel engined boat!)
Just been reading the "gas v diesel" analysis on www.yachtsurvey.com (recommended by somebody on another thread). The writer's clear conclusion is that for a boat this size, gas (petrol) is better than diesel. I know petrol is cheap in the US but, over here, there's the option to go for petrols with an LPG conversion.
Why is there so much "bias" in favour of diesel engines - when sound argument and logic points to petrol? (And I speak as owner of a diesel engined boat!)
KevL
Well-Known Member
Re: Diesel engines
I probably pointed you at that site as I have posted it about twice in the last week.
From my point of view having recently sold a petrol boat in favor of a diesel it's not to do with reliability or cost of fuel it's to do with availability. Carrying petrol around in jerry cans is no fun at all and I speak from personal experience here. If you do find petrol in a marina it's also v expensive compared to garage forecourt.
IMHO
KevL
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It may be the early bird that catches the worm but its the second mouse that gets the cheese.
I probably pointed you at that site as I have posted it about twice in the last week.
From my point of view having recently sold a petrol boat in favor of a diesel it's not to do with reliability or cost of fuel it's to do with availability. Carrying petrol around in jerry cans is no fun at all and I speak from personal experience here. If you do find petrol in a marina it's also v expensive compared to garage forecourt.
IMHO
KevL
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It may be the early bird that catches the worm but its the second mouse that gets the cheese.
