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[Alistairr]

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Thank you too Sir and to you likewise. I was going to suggest he ask you Alistair as I thought you were based on Lomond, lucky you. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Still based there at the moment, i've been looking for the way out for the last 2 seasons, and i still haven't found it!! But when i do, we'll be making straight for Largs. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cheers

Al.

 

[craigsmith]

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I have just bought a Bayliner Discovery 192 and was wonderinf if anyone has one ? If so what size of anchor do you use with it ? How much chain & rope do you have for the anchor ?

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Chain & rope depends entirely on the depth, and I am not familiar with the region you mention. Loosely speaking, the more chain the better, but it is also better to have a shorter length of heavier chain, rather than a longer length of lighter. If you can carry enough rope to guarantee a ratio of rode-to-depth of 5:1 or higher, whatever the depth you might anchor in, then the chain loses importance. Rope should be polyester or nylon; the best is multiplait rather than 3-strand.

The latest anchor test write-up, from Motor Boats Monthly, is on our website under "independent reviews". Read it carefully before choosing a type of anchor.

Don't use a Danforth-type, they're okay for short-term fishing etc, but are not reliable enough to leave unwatched overnight.

More articles of interest: www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors

 

[Alistairr]

What rubbish!! Danforth are fine in the right conditions, we used it and slept over night on it on dozens of occasions without any problems, even one night with a group of 3 other boats, the wind got up pretty severe, all 3 using claw or plough type anchor dragged, i was the only one too stay put, and we were using a danforth type anchor!!

I now have a plough type anchor on my current boat, and i've never been comfortable enough with it too stay overnight on it , we use full chain, and it has dragged a few times, thats why i now carry 2 anchors!

Al.

 

[capnjack]

I agree Al. I have had a look at the write ups from the Rocna website and the Danforth type that I think our man is talking about is one particular type made by West Marine that did not fair well. The other type the Fortress faired very well and was very highly commended...............
Here is a quote from the Rocna website which he mentioned and a test by Yachting Monthly which tested 14 anchors in all including a Rocna anchor...
The first quote is for a Fortress Danforth type design....
Quote " The Fortress’s ability to dig in instantly and hold was astonishing – especially as it weighs only 22 lb, one of the lightest anchors tested. the Fortress endured severe abuse and won through. At 5:1 scope it dug in immediately each time – its cable quivering like a bow-string as the test boats 375hp engine produced whirlpools of turbulence. We terminated the test at the maximum 5000lbs pull. The anchor hadn't budged" End Quote....
This is a quote from the Rocna test, it appears to have a defect.......
Quote "On the second 5:1 it released suddenly at maximum tip when revs were reduced, it reseat instantly at 4,300 lb of resistance"

I think this speaks for itself. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[honeybee]

Guy's - I am so sorry for asking what might seem silly questions but I have been thinking about space and came across the folding Grapnel anchor's ? Will they hold my boat secure enough ?

http://marinestore.co.uk/page/mrst/CTGY/grapnel-anchors/

 

[Alistairr]

Don't be silly they aren't silly questions at all.

As i said in my previous post, i keep one of those anchors in my boat as a spare.
Is the boat you are getting a bow rider?
If so them it is perfect for you needs as long as you get a half descent one that stays open when you want it too, and not fall shut!
You won't be staying out overnight on anchor in the boat will you? So it should do the job fine, but (VERY IMPORTANT) MAKE SURE you get chain 10m preferably 5m would maybe do in a bowrider, and then at least 30m or rope, Loch Lomond can be sepecially deep!

But most of all enjoy it, and please feel free to ask as many questions as you like on these forums, thats what they were for.

Cheers

Al.

 

[itsonlymoney]

I had same anchor on previous boat (Bayliner 1952 classic cuddy) It held fine however I dont think I would be confident on it all night. I think the short answer to your question is get the biggest anchor you can store and as much chain as you can store. Agree with other posters that surely the dealer (I assume its a brand new boat from a dealer) should supply you with the correct anchor and a bit of mooring rope, fenders etc, at 20K I would certainly expect him too. Have ypou asked ?
The other thing I am intrested in is, are there no buoys on loch lomond to tie up to for overnights ? thats what we do on windermere.

 

[itsonlymoney]

You may find this site interesting. Bayliner owners club

I just had a look on the bayliner web site and that appears to be an updated version of my 03 boat.
Luverly boat, we had great fun with ours. Enjoy.

 

[honeybee]

yip here is the link to what we have bought and we will spend the odd night on this I think (Baby coming in September so mayby I will get told otherwise) lol

http://www.bayliner.com/discovery_model.asp?modelid=79054&year=2007&reqtype=1,9,23
Really appreciate your comments ali - Out of interest where do you keep your boat there ?


Chris

 

[honeybee]

There are buoys on loch lomond but I wil lnot not near them as they are mainly to tell you of the shallow water & dead slow areas. I did ask the dealer for this in the package but they were not interested in giving anymore extra's as we are getting full covers and a few extras for the same price as a standard version.

 

[itsonlymoney]

Well the tight git could at least advise you of what you need and give a bit of discount. Dont these people want you to come back in a few years time and buy another boat from them ? cos you know your gonna /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[honeybee]

I have been pulling a list together of everything I need and managed to get some prices etc - Here is the list that the MAJORITY of chandlers have roccomended today and the best price I have got, please tell me if you disagree with anything?

Obviously people WITH EXPERIENCE are telling me to go for the longer chain which I take on board and will have these quotes amended

6 x Pilot 1 Life jacket Automatic - PL39188 = £300.
> 1 x Doc Fender - PL30102 = £39.50
> 4 x fender 15x60 - PL35302 = £36.60
> 2 x fender 21x62 = PL39484 = £25.30
> 2 pair x fender socks = PL35678 = £29.00
> 1x fender socks = PL54722 = £14.00
> 2 x 11 meter 16 plait marina lines PL51608= £41.90
> 10kg anchor (britany) - PL16459 or PL16460 =£ 48
> 6 meter chain (8mm) = £27.00
> 10 meter of 12mm rope - PL51608 = £26.55

 

[itsonlymoney]

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2 x 11 meter 16 plait marina lines PL51608= £41.90

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Why so long ?
Also why 16 plait, if you get good quality standard 3 plait you can, with a bit of practice put your own eye splices in at the correct length. Also gives you summat to do in the evening (or am I just a sad git)
However if you get good at splicing dont tell anyone, otherwise you will end up beeing the official splicer for the whole marina (yes I am that official saddo) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[honeybee]

Very good question as i asked that question myself and they tell me I need to tie my boat front to back and vice versa in the marina to prevent the boat from moving ? ? All I thought I had to do was have 2 short lenghths at maybe 4 meters to tie off with ?

 

[itsonlymoney]

If your moored stern on and on a finger jetty then you need...
2x stern lines prob about 12' long, these are crossed over, ie port side rope ties off to starboard cleat on jetty and vica versa
Then you need a bow line, no longer than the length of your boat in your case 16' should do it.
And you need a "spring" (same length as bow line) this rope ties from the boats stern cleat on the finger jetty side then goes forward and ties off to the end cleat on yer finger jetty. (this stops your boat going back and hitting the pontoon. The bow line obviously stops it going forward and if all set properly your boat will also be held off the finger jetty. My oppinion is to buy about 60' of three core and cut it to the desired lengths then get local official saddo (there will be one) to splice it.
Hope this helps.
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If your not stern to moored then the above is of no use at all /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[honeybee]

My mooring will be like the one at the bottom left with a floating pontoon to the front of the boat and then again to the left side of the boat

http://www.cityboats.com/marina.htm

 

[itsonlymoney]

Well then the above is correct however my explanation is for stern on rather than bow on. Same thing just have to adapt my "bow" for "stern"
One point is, probably better to moor stern on as its easier to get on and off boat particularily when you have had too much malt /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Alistairr]

Firstly, If this is your first boat, then you will be needing a lot of stuff, as your list shows. DON'T GO to Duncan's Yacht Chandlery or such, speak to someone like Malthouse(click here) on here, send him a PM(Private Message) telling him what you are looking for, and he will give you are far better price! He's always been good to me. If you can't PM him, I can ask him to contact you if you wish?
One important piece you missed off your list is a good boat hook!

I see its a cuddy, and not a bowrider, even better!
Mooring warps, Itsonlymoney is right, you'll need quite a few shorter pieces, but i'd say 5m lenghts, and don't buy anything too fancy, 12mm 3 strand is perfect, its all I've been using in 6 years of boating. But i'd also keep at least 2 10m pieces onboard incase you need them. 12mm 3 strand will also be fine for anchor rope.
If you are thinking about overnighting on the anchor i wouldn't buy the folding grapenel, better with the danforth type, We had it in our last boat, which was a cuddy, the anchor locker was quite small, but the anchor fitted in perfectly.

We are berthed at Ardlui, right at the very top of the loch, why? Because it nicer scenery, and awful lot quieter than the islands(although we do cruise down there), and a dam site cheaper to moor at than Cameron House!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Oh, and the people like too share their whisky with you. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Forget about Cameron house and come to Ardlui, and i'll show you the ropes(so too speak).

Cheers

Al.

 

[itsonlymoney]

Good point re-the extra ropes.




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Oh, and the people like too share their whisky with you.

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Sounds like my kinda place /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[capnjack]

Although I appreciate you are getting covers etc thrown in a quick calculation in my head, which is madness I know, tells me they are sold for 23,000 odd dollars in the US which is about £14,000. Then you have a few extras. So at £20,000 its not cheap and a substantial purchase.

I do have to agree with the others that you ought to get some warps and anchorage kit in the deal. Perhaps a little gentle persuasion is required.

Agree again with Al, questions are not silly at all, in fact all very pertinent. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif