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honeybee

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Hi guy's,

I have just registered here so please forgive me if I have posted on the wrong area.

I have just bought a Bayliner Discovery 192 and was wonderinf if anyone has one ? If so what size of anchor do you use with it ? How much chain & rope do you have for the anchor ?

All help would be appreciated

Chris
 

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Don't worry , you're not being ignored , it's just that you put ' help ' in the post title /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif welcome to the forum , and hopefully someone with useful advice will be along shortly , I just thought it was funny that so few have read this and it has ' help ' in the title /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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It also has the word 'anchor' /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Not sure myself but hopefully an instrctor e.g. Powerskipper or Al Jones should be able to give reccommended lengths to RYA standard, alternately if you have some kind of Powerboat coursebook it would probably give appropriate measurements in there...
 

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Hi Chris and welcome!

Where are you going to be anchoring?

I'm no expert but would probably work along the lines of 6/7kg claw type anchor with up to about 10m chain and maybe 20ish meters of warp.

Of course if you want to anchor in 100ft of water to fish off some wrecks then ignore me, I'm assuming an achorage where you would be in say 10-15ft of water

as a bare minimum I'd have 4m of chain then make up with warp to make sure you have enough for 6 times the depth you'll be in (i.e 5m depth = 30m total less 4m of chain so you'd need 26m of warp)

Hope that helps until one of the experts turns up! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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best advise is check what the manufacturers recommend, you will need 4 time depth of water if all chain and 6 if chain and rope, so have a look at the area you are boating in and see what kind of depth you may require. this will give you an idea of what you need.
 

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Hmm. Very much depends on where you want to anchor. Best answer I can give you. is where I struggled with 20 metres chain. I now have 60 metres of chain. But still struggle to find a safe anchorage. There covered by buoys or marinas.

Theres loads of sites that will give you recomended size of anchor for boat. But it is the chain that will stop you.

It depends on you really. There is no guarentee that the boat will not move, with the biggest anchor or chain. Only less likely.
All I can say is. I drop my 35 lbs anchore on 35 ft boat, let out about four times depth, chain. And it stays put. In normal type cruising weather. Dunno if this is of any help.
 

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Its a great question really...every boat is going to be different and opinions will vary.

I would say , If I may ,That ,
It depends on the size of your vessel and the sea floor geography where you are hookin.

For me , almost 36 ft LOA and 11 feet wide and weighing around 8 tons I have about 200 ft of rode and about 20 feet of chain with a 70 pound Danforth attached to the rode with a swivel.
You should have a minimum of 3 times the scope when you anchor.... thats what they tell you.Thats a minimum , mind you , and you will get a better hook if you can let out more scope.Not always easy to do if you are ...."in tight".

I also have a twenty pounder which I sometimes use off the stern to keep from swinging....same principle but a smaller danforth about 15 feet of chain attached to the rode with a swivel.
For the back Anchor
I carry around 300 feet of 5/16 ironline which is narrow ,light,easy to coil and extremely strong.
This we use as a rode for the aft anchor or to attach a line to the shore...which is common thing to do here in B.C.
 

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to echo some others, it really depnds where you are. If you want something to lob onto the river bank, or to hold you in an emergency.
You also need to consider the practicality of storing it, so go for one of the flat folding danforth types. You need to wonder how you are going to lift it -I d suggest some chain and the bulk of it rope, or it gets damn heavy.
Most anchor advice is given for the best hold at all possible-ie sleeping on board with tidal changes etc... if you just need something to chuck over the side while you fish or have lunch, you can get away with something a little less-which can sometimes be a bit more practical. As to how much chain/rope.. are you really going to anchor in more than say 5m of water.. even that could be 30m of chain/rope.
The type that completely fold up (graple?) are ok for a rubber ring on the beach, but no use for a boat.
 

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If this is a new boat, then i would have thought the dealer had a duty of care to include it in the sale.

Where are you going to be using it?

Cheers

Al.

BTW, welcome the forum. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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Al,

I am mainly going to be using the anchor on Loch lomond round the islands for overnight stays etc. The boat will be moored at Cameron House so no need to anchor there.
 

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Sorry,

This is going to be a brand new boat but the seller will not include the anchor or kit in the sale. Bit of a bummer as I have to search for all this myself to find the right sizes which is causeing me some hassle
 

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I would have a few concerns about buying a new boat from a dealer that won't do what it takes to get you safely on the water. If they won't help you now then what level of service can you expect if things go wrong after delivery?

If you are happy with this dealer then of course, that is fine but if you don't know them then it is certainly worth asking yourself the question.
 

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Hi Honeybee,

Cameron House is a great place to stay and Loch Lomond, well what can I say, the home of my ancestors.

Don't get too wound up with your query, the problem is not as bad as you think. Your boat is classed as a daytime watersports and weekend cruiser weighing not much more than a ton and with not much air draft. You will be anchoring in non tidal waters so the only element you will be concerned with is wind, which will give a little water tow in the loch, but not a great deal. Although Loch Lomond is the 3rd deepest loch in Scotland at 189m, generally it is shallow around its banks.

With limited space on board a folding anchor would suit you, preferably what is called a fluke anchor of the Danforth design. If you can buy a sliding shank fluke anchor so much the better, something with a shank of .5m is about right, but go for the largest recommended for your boat size, just to be sure and check it will fit in your locker too. These anchors don't need to be heavy because of their holding abilities, therefore offering you greater weight saving. Try these guys for a reasonably priced one.

http://www.boatgeardirect.co.uk/id14.html

Because you won't be anchoring a sportsboat with a big air draft in the South Seas you won't need masses of chain. The chain is there to help set the anchor, the weight of the chain sinking to the bottom quickly will give the best angle to help the anchor dig in, however it is mainly to stop rocks and coral from chaffing the rode. If you can imagine a larger craft of several tons pulling on an anchor chain it will soon pull it tight in a wind with some tide. So, some 10m of chain with as much rope as you locker will hold within reason is required, minimum 30m. This will give you all the scope you need for the depth you will want to anchor in.

This link will give you some ideas and insight into whats been discussed already.

http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/34.htm

Anchoring off the islands can be an advantage if you have a long mooring warp to land and an anchor to stern, this method has worked for me on many occasions in the past and holds the boat steady. One other thing to be aware of is other boats at anchor and you boat swinging in the wind, make sure you have plenty of room.

Hope this helps with your initial questions, I am sure there will be a few more.
 

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That's a good answer. I'm on Windermere which is similar and has everything from rocks, sand and clay bottom.
I've got a light danforth style anchor (utility style)

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but with a sliding shank which makes retrieving a touch easier. Not quite as tough as a danforth, but holds well and we don't get a lot of tidal effect on the lake.

I got a CQR with my latest boat, but swapped it for the danforth type I already had before selling it as I have found this to be very reliable.
It came with 30 metres of chain which was far too much, you can't feel the anchor touching the bottom as you're holding the weight of the chain. I reduced it to about 5 metres of chain and a nylon rode (about 30 metres in total. Although the lake's 200 feet deep in certain parts, it's mainly about 15 - 30 feet where you'd want to anchor and I never have to deploy all my rode.
 

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To be honest, i did wonder, as i do believe Prossers have one for sale, thats why i asked.
Also i'd be fair pissed if they were supplying a new boat, and it didn't have an onchor and mooring kit, it should be part of the standard saftey equipment!!
Excellent info from Captjack.

We also keep our boat Loch Lomond, anchoring isn't a problem, as long as you have enough chain before using rope. We bought a new boat in 2003 and it came with an anchor 1m of chain and 15m of rope, it was usless, until i bought 10m of chain and 30m of rope, never ever dragged once, and we used to anchor at the island, every weekend or so overnight.

Currently i carry 2 anchor for safety, one like this:
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and one of these:
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But the one i was most comfortable sleeping overnight on was this one that came with the new boat we got in 2003, like this one:
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Its very good if you have the space to store it!

Do you have an anchor locker?

Congratulations on the new boat.

Cheers

Al.
 

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Thanks to everone who has responded here, I do have an anchor locker at the front of the boat but currently awating on the dimensions from the supplier. Once I get the dimesions I can look as wht size of ancher chain and rope I can fit in. All of the comments seem so helpfull and yes I am a little pissed off that the boat doesnt come with ANY moring or anchoring kit with it but I suppose they way they look at it is you get what you pay for ! and at £20k you cant really expect the world.

thanks again to everyone
 

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Thank you too Sir and to you likewise. I was going to suggest he ask you Alistair as I thought you were based on Lomond, lucky you. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

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To be honest, i think you're wrong, £20k is hell of a lot of money in most peoples books, and i'd be pushing then to through it in!!!

So what are they going to do, on the day they do the handover, put the boat in the water and say "there you go its all yours!! there's no fenders or warps, so we can't tie it up for you, you better jump in before she floats away with out you!!!"

I'd be more than a bit pissed!!! I'd threaten to pull out unless they include it!!!

Cheers

Al.
 
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