Help Required- Rules of passing

[spurnclass]

Could someone help me and tell me if I have the below correct? (Specifically for the river deben or for everywhere inland)

Down river- Keep starboard of red buoys, keep port of Green Buoys.

Up river- keep port of red buoys, keep starboard of green buoys.

And also, is it correct to say that a boat coming towards you in the opposite direction should always pass you on YOUR port side?

Sorry for the basic questions! But it would be really useful is someone could confirm this for me..

Thanks


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[Twister_Ken]

Just about correct. There are exceptions, but in general your rules are right. Except that where the red and green channel buoys mark a deepwater shipping channel you might be advised to stay just outside the channel to avoid complicating things for larger vessels. In which case going upstream you'd leave red close to starboard, green close to port. And vice versa coming downstream of course. Take a peek at the chart before doing this though just in case putty or bricks lurk just outside the marked channel.

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[wayneA]

I don’t know the Deben, but the direction of buoyage in the UK is usually with the flood tide. Therefore going upstream (presumed direction of flood) you would keep red cans on your port side and green cans on your starboard. Down stream would be the other way round. It is normal practice to stay to starboard of a marked channel. Admiralty charts usually have the direction of bouyage marked by a large purple arrow with 2 circles.

Yes - if two vessels under power were approaching head on, then each vessel should turn to starboard and pass port to port, but vessels under sail may need to be treated differently according to course and tack they are on.

Cheers

Wayne

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[wayneA]

Ken - I don't think (s)he has got the cans correct, or is it me? I think the upstream and downstream are the wrong way round?

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[Mirelle]

I know the Deben all too well having gone aground in all sorts of places over the years. What Wayne says is correct, but our river has its little peculiarities. Coming from seaward the bar buoys this year are a red (leave to port) and a green (leave to starboard) then there is a red off the Felixstowe Ferry Sailing Club and another where you dont expect it - far over to the north bank. This is in the right place and it means it - it marks the landward end of the horse sand at the ferry.

Then nothing until above the Rocks - you can cut a bit inside the two reds on this bend, but pay attention to the next two. Three greens through Waldringfield mark the channel - hard to see amongst the mooring buoys. Two reds off the Tips then a green marking the end of Methergate reach, a red off Methersgate Quay, a green in amongst the moorings, two reds followed by two greens mark Troublesome Reach (pay close attention to these) then a green well over to the S bank and a red which incidentally marks the shallowest bit of the river, then a green in amongst the moorings and a red off the Deben Yacht Club - the fairway as far as the marina is marked by reds. The buoyage continues all the way to Wilford Bridge.

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[Solitaire]

"POSH" - Port Out Starboard Home. Coming into or upstream of the river the GREEN (starboard) lateral marker is on your right hand side. Leaving the river/going downstream RED (port) lateral marker is on your right.

Vessels pass one another port to port. In case of potential head on collision, both vessels should turn to starboard

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[duncan]

Re: even simpler way of looking at it

consider that the person most likely to need guidance is the one arriving/heading upstream ie the navigation welcomes you in..............
keep your navigation lights friendly with the port/estuary and with green clearly a positive you enter green to green / red to red and closer to the green.


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[StugeronSteve]

Think you've got the idea but mixed up the description: Up river keep starboard hand marks (green cones) to stb. port hand marks (red cans) to port. Down river its port hand marks to stb, stbd hand marks to port ie. always keep to the starboard (right hand) side of the channel. Good luck and keep out the way of the big stuff.

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[NigeCh]

Nice one -Never thought of that

I get confused because I do a lot of sailing in the IALA 'B' area where 'Red Right Returning' is the key. In the UK I sail out of the Menai Strait where the change buoy is off Caernarfon Victoria Dock. So when you sail the Strait you have to know whether you are entering or leaving and where you are relative to the change buoy. So you could be entering when you are leaving or leaving when you are entering ...

Now, I'm just going you yell POSH each time we pass the change buoy.

Cheers and many thanks for solving a problem that's been vexing me for many years.

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[Solitaire]

Re: Nice one -Never thought of that

Ah ha, did not want to go down the I.A.L.A "A" vs "B" route. Interesting that it was only in 1979 that the International Association of Lighthouse Authorities tried to unify the world's bouyage system. UK and Europe operate the "A" system but if you boat in North and South America, Japan and the Phlippines then lateral markes are the other way round!

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[Jacket]

I guess most people know this, but the word Posh does come from "port out, starboard home". In the days of the Empire, if you could afford it (ie. were posh) when traveling to India via the Suez canal you had a port side cabin on the way out and a starboard side one on the way back. This was because due to the direction of travel, these cabins got less direct sunlight, and so were cooler.

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[Solitaire]

Indeed so/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[spurnclass]

Re: Help Required- Rules of passing-the BAR

All, Thanks very much indeed for all your help. So far, myself and my wife have had about 30 trips in all up and down the river from the tide mill yacht harbor (woodbridge) up past the horse sands at Felixstowe Ferry, mooring up in one of the deep water buoys just to the port side of the river-past the horse sand. I am happy to report that so far we have encountered no major problems and our confidence in this route is increasing. However, what we would really like to do is a bit a cruising along the coast past the notorious sand bar. Here's where we hit a problem, I have heard so many stories about people hitting the bottom in this area, I also seem to have a major in-discrepancy in how the bar looks on my map of the east coast (recently purchased), and what people I have brought pints for in the anchor tell me!! I think its one of those situations where half of me says I would like to attempt to cross the bar because of the cruising rewards, but the other half says that I don’t want to knock our confidence by doing something stupid when things have been going so well. What do you all think would be the most sensible approach to take??

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[Twister_Ken]

Twister Ken\'s rule of thumb for navigation by eye

If you can't see it at low water, you can sail over it at high water.

Works well, except for containers awash.

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[PhilipStapleton]

Port to Port to Port

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[mikeb]

Re: Help Required- Rules of passing-the BAR

I don't believe that there has been a major revision to any Admiralty Charts since the major change in the configuration of the sandbanks over the winter.

You must use the locally produced chartlet which is available from Tidemaill Harbour and on the internet but I cant remeber the site address

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[NigeCh]

See above ... I\'m going to post a new thread (nm)

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[peterb]

Before that

The first area to have its buoyage changed was the Thames Estuary. The change-over started in 1976. How do I know? Because that's when I took my Yachtmaster shorebased course, and we had to learn both the old system and the new.

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