Help please ( Stinker requesting cooperation )

[DAKA]

Please can you check your boats for venerable bits toward the stern quarters.

When we use finger berths and have to go stern in we frequently bounce off the boats at the side.
If the boat is stern in then we just slide down the fenders.

But if a yacht is bow in then there is not a wide funnel for us to aim at.
Any side wind then pushes us into the stern of any adjacent Yacht.

Some yachts have Out boards, life belts and danbouys just ready to be knocked in.

Some one had a plastic mushroom clipped to the stanchion, it was just in line with my engine intake that acts like a cheese gratter.......

.oops Glue gun out quick /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Please try to go in stern too, leave lots of fenders out and if you need to go bow in ( as we all do sometimes) please remove any bits that stick out /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


A mobo doesnt have much in the water ( no keel ) and has a huge wind-age issue compared to most yachts, as a result a side wind or gust can just skim us across the water.

Cheers

Pete
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[B175Chris]

A lot of forumites have a wind-age issue /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[MoodySabre]

Re: Help please

No yachts in my marina go in stern to. If you can't get in without buggering someone else's boat then don't do it. Tell the marina you need a wide berth or one next to a stern to mobo. Failing that go in bows to. You can't expect the vast majority of marina to change the boat layouts and mooring preferences just for you.

I hope you left a note telling the person whose GPS antennae you broke that he should send you a bill if it doesn't work.

 

[DAKA]

Re: Help please

I hadnt realised so many Yachts men found it difficult to stern in, please ignore that request if it is too difficult, I was taught to sail back wards never mind Motor back wards but still......

Obviously on a windy day I would indeed request a wide berth but there are many afternoons when a sea breeze gets up and it gets blustery with unpredictable gusts, it is these days that cause the problems.

If the venerable bits are removed or protected then the problem is solved for all concerned. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[fireball]

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Totally opposite post for you - we did moor stern to over winter - it makes it far easier for M-i-Law to get on and off ... and also it means we can sit comfortably in the cockpit and talk with all the passers by ... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I know what you mean - if there are sticky-out bits that can be damaged they will be - so try and help protect your own boat from accidental damage where possible ...

Actually - all those that are a problem are those with wide sterns and usually they are ok at reversing .....

 

[MoodySabre]

Re: Help please

It's not a question of difficulty - most people prefer to be bows to so they have privacy from people on the pontoon. The other difference is that it is easy for crew to step off a yacht going in bows first but usually easier to step off the stern of a mobo.

I have no problems with mobos but I don't think that damage to another boat can ever be acceptable or that vulnerable items can be totally protected. Parking vessel has responsibility in my book.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

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If the venerable bits are removed or protected then the problem is solved for all concerned. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Apart from the grief for the poor sod who has to spend an hour at either end of his sailing trip removing or refitting the multitude of bits to his boat.....

Agree with Roger... Parking boats responsibility....if the conditions are such that you can't get in to the slot safely, then park somewhere else....

 

[Jonny_H]

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Apart from the grief for the poor sod who has to spend an hour at either end of his sailing trip removing or refitting the multitude of bits to his boat.....

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An hour - and the rest ... Hydrovane self steering, life raft, outboard engine, solar panel, wind genny, horseshoe bouy & light, SSB arial - took me 18 months to put this lot on!!

Jonny

 

[benjenbav]

Re: Help please

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Parking vessel has responsibility in my book.

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I do so agree with you. But I would add that I think it's worth having a look around one's own boat to try to minimise the sticking-out bits, on the basis that it's easier not to have to fix them when someone else gets it wrong.

 

[DAKA]

Re: Help please

I dont have an issue with anything you say.

i am not experienced to finger berths, I berthed at the side of a rib one windy day with a Pro skipper instructing a student watching me.

I was pushed onto the rib and had to power on in all the way down the side of the rib.

To my surprise the Instructor had used my berthing as a classic example of how to finger berth

by using the other craft to slide own with fenders.
It appears to be the way at least one Instructor is telling people how to berth.

I would always attempt to enter a berth without touching any boat ( remember mine is also going to be damaged).

There are times when an unpredicted side wind just forces you into another boat.

I do not believe you can necessary apportion blame so easily.
Technically in order to apportion blame you need to show negligence.


Either way surly it makes sense not to leave too much overhanging at the stern .

 

[MoodySabre]

Re: Help please

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Either way surly it makes sense not to leave too much overhanging at the stern .

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It does make sense. Last year my neighbour yacht hit my outboard and broke the prop. He left a note offering to pay but I just shrugged it off as hors de combat. Then it costs me £37 for a new prop - and I moved the outboard position pronto!

Sometimes we will all gently nudge another boat with fenders but I don't regard it as a 'technique'.

 

[DAKA]

Re: Help please

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Totally opposite post for you

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They all start well intentioned /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Nice one has ended well for a change /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thank you to all the contributors for keeping it civil /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'm going now before the idiots join in /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cheers
Pete

 

[DJE]

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Perfectly acceptable in my view in difficult conditions to go alongside the other boat (with proper use of fenders) and then to pull your boat up on to her berth. But to do this you should be able to go alongside without causing any damage.

 

[LadyInBed]

I am always conscious of my vulnerable venerable bits - they hang low in the water and are susceptible to bumps and squeezes, not to mention anything that might leap out of the water at me. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[johnalison]

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By going alongside - I expect the incoming boat to have take ALL way off before making contact and not using my fenders against my topsides to reduce his kinetic energy. As people are saying; it's the mooring boat's responsibility and damage is unacceptable except in the rare case of sudden gear failure. My boat was immaculate when new 8 years ago and is now scarred by the incompetence of numerous would-be neighbours.

 

[David_Jersey]

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please ignore that request if it is too difficult, I was taught to sail back wards never mind Motor back wards but still......


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Clearly........ /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

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If the venerable bits are removed or protected then the problem is solved for all concerned. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I don't know what venerable bits other's have on their sterns, a shrine to Buddha? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif......but IMO the best defence to any vessels using you as a ski ramp is........a rusty old Seagull /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Of course most people have used their neighbour as a Pontoon - but IMO bad form old boy to do so as a matter of course.

 

[Gordonmc]

Both my present boat and the previous one are long-keelers. The present one does go in astern... where it wants to. The previous one which had the outboard prop in front of the rudder would not move at all in astern, no matter how much throttle it got.
That's why its bow in all the time.
I do take the tender's outboard off the taffrail on the very rare occasion I am on a pontoon but it would be impracticval to move everything completely inboard.

 

[allanc]

This is a sailor requesting co-operation from a Motor boat:
Sir, if you feel that you are unable to control your boat, such that you may cause me damage when mooring next to me, please moor somewhere else.
Simple really.

 

[Malish]

and consider a training course or hiring a competent skipper

 

[Talbot]

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Please can you check your boats for venerable bits toward the stern quarters.

When we use finger berths and have to go stern in we frequently bounce off the boats at the side.
If the boat is stern in then we just slide down the fenders.

But if a yacht is bow in then there is not a wide funnel for us to aim at.
Any side wind then pushes us into the stern of any adjacent Yacht.

Some yachts have Out boards, life belts and danbouys just ready to be knocked in.

Some one had a plastic mushroom clipped to the stanchion, it was just in line with my engine intake that acts like a cheese gratter.......

.oops Glue gun out quick /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Please try to go in stern too, leave lots of fenders out and if you need to go bow in ( as we all do sometimes) please remove any bits that stick out /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


A mobo doesnt have much in the water ( no keel ) and has a huge wind-age issue compared to most yachts, as a result a side wind or gust can just skim us across the water.

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A cat has the same problem with windage, and for one that does not have two engines, a serious problem in a side wind. In those circumstances where I know that I am going to be blown onto a neighboring boat, I deliberately decide to berth alomngside that boat, and then warp into the berth. As I am going alongside that boat deliberately, this minimises the risk.