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what reason did he have for such a 'strong' commendation?

BTW --- JFM's advice is excellent ... but I've never heard him recommend a Squeaker !! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Honestly don't know.

Agree JFM's advice is excellent, and I also wouldn't recommend a Squeaker.

That's two things we have agreed on now... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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He who lives by the forum, dies by the forum, or something.

We're always moaning that "Dealers don't listen", "Dealers don't have a presence", they don't respond, they don't understand what customers want. etc.

Well, here's a poacher turned gamekeeper who IS here. If it turns out he's selling dodgy boats and then leaves customers up a creek without an outdrive, then I too will join in with the kicking, but until that time, I think we should leave a little leeway until the business is up and running at full steam!

dv.
 
Thank you for all your replies so far. I guess I have a bit more homework to do. It certainly looks like I have some thinking to do. The used Sealine 34 looked good value, I just really had my heart set on a new one.

I'll no doubt have some more beginner questions later
 
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Beg to differ re. Scuttlebutt , I bet if someone suggested that the Twister was a rubbish boat , a certain forumite would most certainly jump on them /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif however , for my part I prefer a single engined petrol Birchwood , but then , I am also biassed /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

One thing I would say though is that anything more than say 25 to 28 ft as a first boat is being a tad overly enthusiastic . I would suggest getting an older and smaller boat to learn on , then it doesn't matter when something is hit , unless it's another boat /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif as it's very much like learning a completely new way of driving and accidents happen
 
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Jez, you have to realise that you have moved on from just being a member of the forum! You have now moved into the professional arena. Your knowledge base is expanding way beyond most who frequent here and will continue to do so.

Take today, I have moved a Broom 418 up the river on one engine, booked a shed load of courses and been over the Fairline Phantom 48 that I'm doing the handover on on Monday (plus the owners ICC and it's his first boat /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif).

The Phantom's interior was in bits as the aircon was being fitted - hope it's all back together by Monday! The Broom has blown it's port engine and it was in bits and as the stairs had been removed so it made getting down to turn the batteries on more like a mountaineering exercise - oh and the bow thruster didn't want to play ball either /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

After that I went to collect a chandlery order that I then took over to Port Solent for the kit to be put on a boat that was heading off to the med. Oh and the client was as happy as larry as I'd saved him over £300 on what it would have cost from a retail outlet.

Jes, whatever you say on here will now be seen within the context of what you now do. My signature directs people to a web site, they take the option to click on it - and many do - we have taught and will be teaching a number of forumites, at least one who has posted on this thread - thanks for the cheque that arrived this morning (you know who you are) /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nautical does the same, but again he has learnt the art of not pissing everybody off while still subliminally promoting his marque.

I could post a whole raft of things on here, but for commercial reasons I don't, you will have to consider the same options. I make statements of fact now rather than voice opinions. As a company, our work is not confined solely to RYA courses, we work for a number of brokers and boat manufacturers and we keep our council. Lets face it, in the not too distant future we will be representing you in terms of hand-overs and and instruction - wouldn't look to good if I came on here and said that your boats were not up to muster. I have only done that on one boat ever.

We have our favourites, but in the main, most boats we deliver/teach on /handover/test/sea trial are all pretty good. Some are better than others both in terms of make and model within make. Jez, your relationship with the forum has changed - you will need to recognise that if you don't want to be constantly sniped at by those who frankly can only see with tunnel vision that exists from limited experience. Interesting though that most who post feeling an affront to the commercilsim don't know how long you have been here or what you posted prior to your new venture - hay ho! Those who do have shown considerable support and understanding and long may they continue to do so. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
hi can anyone help

hi i have bought a vivacity 20 and afterwards bought a 6hp petter mini six it has a i nche shaft and a 3blade propeller but i need all other fittings and also dont know if i couid maybe get some drawings to help or pics if any one has any parts i wouid be interested ?can anyone help i wouid be very much greatfull
 
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If I may say so as a newer member of the forum and with no commercial nautical interests, that was a really good post.

I have noted in the past Jez's new venture and wish him well with it (when I can afford one of his boats then I might go knocking), and feel that he has been discrete at that difficult time when he must be excited by the new venture.

I will naturally prefer to buy services from those I feel I know and trust, it is amazing how much you pick up about a person from a forum like this, so do enjoy the professional input from those in the industry, but it is a difficult balancing line...

so do carry on Jez, great post Solitaire...

oh and Jez - you do realise that one of the forum rules is that for every 1000 posts with your tag line you have to give one of your items of merchandise away to a forumite - I am waiting /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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It's not as if the forum is being flooded. Nobody gives impartial advise.

HLB will say "10-15 year old Princess or Fairline"
I jump up and say "Sealine"
KevB chips in with a recommendation for Sessa
JezB pipes up "Westline"
DaveSnelson will say "Windy"
Powerskipper will try and tell you that length doesn't matter
Nautical will recommend Absolutes
jfm will advise you to become a private equity advisor, make your first £5m, then buy a Sunseeker

and so on...

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You forgot me!!!!

It's obvious that he should by a used Targa 34!

Pete
 
Hello SL.You are probably going to have to make an early decision as to wether you are going to spend £125k on a 35 ish footer or get a new boat.You are almost certainly not going to do both with that money.
As all of us here know,£125K is a blooming fortune to spend on any fancy new plaything and it will get you some pretty exclusive machinery in the auto world,but in the boaty world it might just get you on the first rung of the new boat ladder.You could easy spend double that on a nice sub 40ft boat and more if you want extras like steering wheel or engines.
I would start to wander round all the marinas with on site brokerage and actually look at the sort of stuff on sale within your budget,go on board and sit in the captains seat,lay on the bed and see if you walk around inside the boat without hunching over like a dwarf.Whats it like to live with inside,does the lady in your life like it,if she does not,you will be boating alone very fast.
New boats are fine,and where would most of us be,if folks did not buy them,but, you can get a whole lot more boat secondhand,perhaps only a year or two old and in as new condition if you look hard enough.
Just one more axe to grind,Sports boats,every new boaters passion,seen them in the movies,whizzing along leaving a spectacular wake and no doubt loaded up to the gunnals with totty /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.Fine for Nice or Cala d Or but rubbish in UK except for one or two sunny summer days(normally during the week when you will be at work anyway".Buy one first if you must,but for all year round boating comfort,sooner or later a nice set of patio doors will beckon. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Have lots of fun finding your first boat.
 
What rubbish.

Sports cruisers are ideal if you want the feeling of being "outside", which to me is the point of boating. If too cold, then more pullovers and a woolly hat are the order of the day. Think of them as the motoring equivalent of a "convertible". More hassle with canvas, but closer to the wind in your hair feeling.

Flybridges are the weekend cottages of the boating world. Proper lounge, but the flybridge needs to be big enough to house EVERYBODY, which usually means 37ft minimum. Also, engine access is usually atrocious, and steep steps are a good way of disposing of small children or elderly/infirm relatives.

Both are entirely suited to the UK, but there's probably a tip-off point beyond 40ft where more boats > 40ft are flybridges.

dv.
 
Zip heaven

"What rubbish.
Sports cruisers are ideal if you want the feeling of being "outside""

Ideal for last bank holiday weekend of course...........
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oh jeez , this is going to end up being an argument about what is and isn't real boating /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif some of us like to be in a nice warm cockpit while others prefer to be at one with the elements /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif and some prefer to be pushed along by the wind too /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif but it's all down to personal choice innit /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I have been to the London boat show and had a good look at everything on display but I am starting to confuse myself as there is so much choice.

Both myself and my partner want a boat that we can comfortably manage with just the two of us, but big enough to have some friends on board occasionally. Also, we would prefer to buy new as neither of us are very hands on when it comes to fixing things. We want to be based on the south coast, cornwall or Devon areas and want something fun.

I have been looking at everything, but around 34-36 feet seems to be the best layout. Budget wise we want to spend about £125k.



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Shall we try and get back to your original post? Firstly your budget of £125k for a new boat of the length you are thinking about is totally unrealistic - sorry but there it is. So lets move on from there. There is nothing wrong with looking at a boat that is a few years old - even 10 years old if it's been looked after. The VAT and first few years depreciation will have gone and as most people don't really use the boat more than say 70 hours a year, engines are hardly run in even if they are 10 years old with 700 hours on the clock.

As you said in your post, the choice is wide so the best thing you can do is go and look at as many boats as you can - look at all the makes, crawl all over them, lift every hatch and open every locker. Think about what you really want from your boating and how long you want to keep the boat - you don't say what your level of experience is! That would help a lot, I guess from the way you have couched the question it's not a lot.

So far you have mentioned only Sealine, but there are makes such as Benateau who make the Ombrine range - very good sea boats and easy walk around decks. Then there's Windy. Stunning well made Scandinavian made sports boat - I taught on one of these a few weeks ago. I fell in love!

Then there is the Cranchi range - nice looking Italian jobs. I'd be tempted in that direction as well.

Fairline as also well worth a look but your £125k is not going to buy you anywhere near a new boat of the size you want.

At the moment there are deals to be had on Sealine so go and haggle if you like the S34 - but it won't be new.

Then there are the Nimbus and Aquador range worth looking at as well.

Don't worry about not being "handy" most boaters aren't! What you want to know is has the engine/s been regularly serviced - don't be fooled into thinking that low engine hours in an older boat is a good thing either. I would much rather consider a boat with a few hours on the engines. Engines, particularly diesel engines like to be run. They also like/need to be worked, so again don't be lured into the argument "it's only been used on the river sir". A shed load of hours at tick over, a sports boat that has been used on a river is like a Ferrari driven by a granny who does not take it above 2000 RPM in 6th gear!!!

But whatever you do, get the boat surveyed by a reputable surveyor.

Your question is short - the answers are never ending and you will get even more confused as options lead to insanity. Go and look for yourself and see what suits - put together a short list and then come back and narrow down the choice. Even then you will get conflicting comments. It's what suits you and if it's your first boat then I guarantee it still won't be the right choice - nobody gets it right first time /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Nah, £125k will get you a 4 or 5 year old T34.

Pete

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Nah, £125k will get you a 4 or 5 year old T34.

Pete

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What do you mean. That's just run in for a Fairline! Plenty of 1960's Fairlines still floating.

Pete
 
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