headlining

[Graham_Wright]

I bought some white headlining at Beaulieu because it was felt backed and not foam.

Just looked on ebay and every offer seems to be foam.

Any ideas any one?

 

[Rigger Mortice]

I'm not sure what you are asking but maybe the stuff you bought is intended for upholstery use?
If you look on a site like Hawkeshead it may have more information.

 

[MoodySabre]

I bought mine from C&J. Sent me a swatch. Got all the glues etc.

 

[Graham_Wright]

I'm not sure what you are asking but maybe the stuff you bought is intended for upholstery use?
If you look on a site like Hawkeshead it may have more information.

It looks just like the foam backed stuff but, hopefully, it won't rot.

 

[VicS]

It looks just like the foam backed stuff but, hopefully, it won't rot.

If its a natural fibre backing and it gets wet or suffers from condensation it will!

Hawkshead sell outdoor clothing

Hawke House and C&J both sell vinyl lining with or without a foam backing

 

[rivonia]

All very interesting. What if the vinyll had NO BACKING? and it was then glued on.

Just a thought

Peter

 

[FullCircle]

All very interesting. What if the vinyll had NO BACKING? and it was then glued on.

Just a thought

Peter

It will show every pimple of the substrate.

 

[Graham_Wright]

All very interesting. What if the vinyll had NO BACKING? and it was then glued on.

Just a thought

Peter

Hawke House do that.

 

[Graham_Wright]

It will show every pimple of the substrate.

It could be glued onto a plywood board. Often this is useful anyway for light fittings and insulation anyway.

 

[VicS]

It could be glued onto a plywood board. Often this is useful anyway for light fittings and insulation anyway.

When possible glue the lining (with or without foam backing ) on to ply because that can be done with a water resistant PVA wood glue. Being also water based there are none of the toxic fumes produced by solvent based adhesives. If the solvents are what cause the breakdown of the foam backing then this is avoided too.

 

[Graham_Wright]

I received this advice from Hake House;-


When fitting felt backed vinyl, it is much more difficult to apply the adhesive to the felt as the felt tends to be 'hairy'. Although the foam is also difficult to apply the adhesive to, we apply contact adhesive to the glass fiber or plywood and use a spray adhesive onto the FOAM ONLY. Although the spray can also be applied to the felt, because it is 'hairy', the difficulty arises in keeping the vinyl flat enough to avoid an uneven finish when installing it. Felt backing is more popular in the USA where it is often used by the manufacturer in the initial installation at the factory and therefore in a much more controlled environment by fitters skilled in the application of it.

Sometimes people who have either applied a foam backed lining in the past, or have heard stories of other people who have fitted it themselves, have spoken of indentations in the foam caused by compressing the foam with their fingers. This has invariably been due to the over zealous application of adhesive to the foam. Because contact adhesives are used which coat the internal walls of the foam cells, when the vinyl is handled too heavily as it is fitted compressing the walls of the cell (eg pushing with fingers), the cell walls stick to each other as they are compressed. To explain the method further, I will follow this email by forwarding to you our headlining fixing guide which I trust you will find helpful.

Further, the foam backed vinyl will be easier to fit than a felt backed vinyl as it still retains a good percentage of its stretch, enabling the compound curvature within most boats to be covered without it 'bridging' across. Having said all of this, foam will still have a likely lifespan in this country of approximately 20 years subject to variable circumstances such as water leaks, heat and humidity. There is however an alternative that we offer which we originally introduced to help our customers in the Mediterranean and Carribean who were unable to have the necessary adhesives shipped to them for repairs or replacement of linings. We have produced for us a self adhesive closed cell foam whose life will be much longer than the open cell foams commonly used over the past 40 years or so. As this foam is adhesive on both sides it can be used in one of two ways: First, some will remove the old disintegrating foam from their existing vinyl then apply the self adhesive foam to the substrate before re-attaching their existing vinyl to the foam. Second, the same method can be used but use new unfoamed vinyl. I will also attach a fact sheet with the follow up email explaining this as well.

I trust that this has been helpful.

Best Regards

Alan dring
Hawke House Ltd

He followed up with a copy of the "Headlining Fixing Guide" which presumably is available from their website.

Very helpful guy.

 

[VicS]

Yes they are very helpful. I bought all the materials from them when i relined my boat. They sent me a very useful hints and tips leaflet.

Often recommended on these forums as a supplier of lining materials and adhesives ...... much else as well.