Hands AFF the Clyde

[FlyingGoose]

What, like cows or chickens roam the hills?
Ardentinny to Glasgow is 75 miles, about 1hr 45 min according to the AA. Not a feasible commute for many.

I know that fish farming is far from perfect and particularly poorly regulated but that's down to the legislation and the regulators. It is the only rational way to provide fish for eating on a large scale. And it's definitely a significant source of employment in some areas.

1 HOUR 45 mins is not a long journey for the right Job , not been to London working then Also the fish are mainly going to foreign Markets so this pollute the sea in Scotland and sell the Fish to the French does not work here on the Clyde , we still have some passion left to protect our seas and navigation , Your argument is lost on tthe fact that these smaller farms do not employ a lot of people potentially under 10 , the demographics of areas were these farms are set up lend to the Jobs going to people moving into the area as the vast majority of younger people leave their isolating villages and head for the big cities,
So to bring a farm to the Clyde brings no economical benefits to the area that offset the impact that it will have on the said area and the only ones that reap the rewards are the owners of the site that take their money outside of Scotland as it will not be a UK registered company.
There is a reason they are looking at The Clyde , no doubt they have been refused elsewhere IMHO OFC

 

[Quandary]

Don't know if you have been in the supermarket recently but yesterday the major species of fish on sale was salmon, with the developing aversion to red meat it is now a popular staple even in the West of Scotland. It would not be ny favourite fish to eat but at least I know that some of my neighbours are getting a living from it and strangely they are natives not blow ins like me. 10 steady jobs is a lot of income in a struggling small crofting community and should never be discounted as worthless.
I think there are a lot of generalizations in your post presented as if they are facts.

 

[FlyingGoose]

Don't know if you have been in the supermarket recently but yesterday the major species of fish on sale was salmon, with the developing aversion to red meat it is now a popular staple even in the West of Scotland. It would not be ny favourite fish to eat but at least I know that some of my neighbours are getting a living from it and strangely they are natives not blow ins like me. 10 steady jobs is a lot of income in a struggling small crofting community and should never be discounted as worthless.
I think there are a lot of generalizations in your post presented as if they are facts.

I aim to please , to compare salmon in our shops to red meat sales without any facts contradicts your post to me , more salmon is exported than consumed in the UK all salmon comes form Scottish Fish farms , so my analogy that we are polluting our seas for the sake of others is a fact.
You mention small crofting , I was comparing a fish farm in the Clyde not comparing a island community like Skye or the highlands , the fact that it is in the Clyde and most so called crofting communities are pretty rare in these areas shows your lack of understanding to my post , I appreciate you think your are the only knowledgeable Scot on here but we younger ones from the Central belt do know something about our country.
Scottish salmon exports soar by 25% – Fish Farmer Magazine

Scottish Salmon becomes UK’s number one food export. - Scottish Salmon Producers' Organisation

 

[Martin&Rene]

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Against Fish Farming (AFF) at Ardentinny & the Firth of Clyde

The Ardentinny proposal, and I think the other one further down the Clyde, is actually for a rainbow trout farm. In addition to the normal concerns about fish farms, particularly those in sheltered lochs with low tidal flows, there is the additional concern that escapees would be introducing a non-native species into the area.

Loch Long fish farm plan causes concerns - The Lochside Press

The locals do not seem over interested in it anyway, so the possibility of jobs does not seem a major attraction.

Oddly, whenever I have been into the Tesco's at Kilbirnie, just over 10 miles from the Clyde, I have noticed that their salmon actually comes from Norway.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

I'd be concerned that a farm at Ardentinny, which is opposite the restricted zone at Coulport, would narrow the navigable passage so much as to make it difficult to pass if beating up or down the loch (the wind tends to blow along the loch, so you'll be beating one way or the other!). The restricted zone already halves the navigable width, and it's usually patrolled by MOD Police, so it isn't as if you can ignore the restricted zone.

 

[Quandary]

I aim to please , to compare salmon in our shops to red meat sales without any facts contradicts your post to me , more salmon is exported than consumed in the UK all salmon comes form Scottish Fish farms , so my analogy that we are polluting our seas for the sake of others is a fact.
You mention small crofting , I was comparing a fish farm in the Clyde not comparing a island community like Skye or the highlands , the fact that it is in the Clyde and most so called crofting communities are pretty rare in these areas shows your lack of understanding to my post , I appreciate you think your are the only knowledgeable Scot on here but we younger ones from the Central belt do know something about our country.
Scottish salmon exports soar by 25% – Fish Farmer Magazine

Scottish Salmon becomes UK’s number one food export. - Scottish Salmon Producers' Organisation

It is great to have you back and as knowledgeable as ever, I bow to you genius and try never to comment on the massive depth your knowledge again, perhaps though you could work a bit on the sentences so that they actually state what you mean, only a suggestion, I actually thought you were commenting on salmon production and consumption in Scotland.

 

[FlyingGoose]

It is great to have you back and as knowledgeable as ever, I bow to you genius and try never to comment on the massive depth your knowledge again, perhaps though you could work a bit on the sentences so that they actually state what you mean, only a suggestion, I actually thought you were commenting on salmon production and consumption in Scotland.

I see that your aggravation towards any errors in Grammar and spelling are the only tools you feel the need to slander some one by, my you must feel good about that
Some more facts for you in regards to my statement of around 10 people , working on these Farms . I was wrong or mayby right in some cases

The total number of staff employed in marine salmon production in Scotland increased by 77 (5.5%) to 1,466 people , there are 226 fish farms in Scotland giving a mean of 6.4 employees per farm , hardly a re industrialising the Clyde
Increase in employment in Aquaculture - gov.scot


Norwegian companies own many of Scotland's salmon farms but they operate under tighter rules in their own country
Currently, 56 farms are rated by Sepa as "very poor", "poor" or "at risk".
Yet in the past five years no company has been fined or prosecuted.
Is there a problem with salmon farming? (This one is horrific reading )

I do not condone the farms per sae unless they clean up their act and it does provide vital Jobs in some remote locations were the pollution can be minimised, but to put another one in the Clyde Estuary only opens doors for more , I am also aware that there are still ongoing issues with the people of Arran and their Fish Farm in Lamlash Bay which could affect Scotland's First no take Zone .
We do not allow the devastation of our forests anymore, and we complain bitterly about the Amazon being burned away and cry for the Australian bush as it burned ,but when we talk about our natural sea bed and the damage we do to a vital eco system we look the other way.