jimbaerselman
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Greek Tax News Updated
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silver-fox
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Thanks Jim, your efforts are much appreciated.
Those that want to leave and not pay the tax are able to do so.
Those that are prepared to stay and pay have some degree of certainty about how much and when.
Those like me who are proposing to visit know what to expect
None of which will make the slightest difference to the perpetual moaners
..... but that's life
Those that want to leave and not pay the tax are able to do so.
Those that are prepared to stay and pay have some degree of certainty about how much and when.
Those like me who are proposing to visit know what to expect
None of which will make the slightest difference to the perpetual moaners
..... but that's life
Tony Cross
Well-known member
Thanks Jim, your efforts are much appreciated.
Those that want to leave and not pay the tax are able to do so.
Those that are prepared to stay and pay have some degree of certainty about how much and when.
Those like me who are proposing to visit know what to expect
None of which will make the slightest difference to the perpetual moaners
Spot on!
charles_reed
Active member
Thanks Jim, to you and all the CA who have acted and not expostulated.
SailorBill
New member
So let me get this right. A 12.4m boat, which is likely to be us (12.37) will be faced with a tax charge of €1,240 if we want to spend a year cruising Greek waters?
If this is correct then we will avoid Greece altogether, sadly.
If this is correct then we will avoid Greece altogether, sadly.
djs
Member
If I read this right. 12 month stayers paying for a full year get 30% discount. So 12.4m boat staying full year pay 868 €.
SailorBill
New member
That is still a hefty and IMO unjustified charge that will discourage many.
jimbaerselman
New member
Then why not arrive from wherever you are at the moment in April or May, slowly transit Greece over 4 months (or quicker), and pay €496?
And, keep your eyes on the game. The ministry said: "we intend to remove all the inconveniences your mention" (Port Police visits and payments). Now, if you were paying your way like a good boat, that would tot up to €250 or so for 30 days on quays . . . €500 for two months. So if this comes about, the fees people were due to pay will come down.
I know - most people didn't pay them.
However, this is still just a request we've made, which has been heard sympathetically. The present situation is that this concession, if it happens, will be published within a new Ministry directive which is going before the Greek Parliament soon.
Tranona
Well-known member
Not necessarily if you compare the overall cost of keeping your boat in Greece compared with costs in other countries nearby.
Cardo
Active member
If they scrap harbour dues altogether, that would be a sweet trade off.
vyv_cox
Well-known member
We are finding increasingly that harbours are investing in better reasons for yachts to stay, e.g. Lazy lines, water, electricity, full time harbourmaster who collects fees without PP hassle. In return the fees are slightly higher. I doubt that these ports would be happy if harbour fees were to be abolished and it would be a negative move for them to revert to the previous chaos.
Tony Cross
Well-known member
This worries me too. The government may well abolish port fees but we'll still be required to pay for these "extras". In Chania here on Crete for example, they've had lazy lines on the town quay for some years and you are not allowed to moor to your own anchor. If port fees are abolished I'm sure they'll introduce a charge for using the lazy lines, a charge you can't avoid of course because you can't use your own anchor. I worry that if the port fees are abolished we'll see a growth of these kinds of "extras" that will be completely unregulated, so in some ports we might end up paying more than we do now.
jimbaerselman
New member
True. It's only the PP midnight to midnight charges we're targeting. Local franchises for electricity, water, tailed moorings and marinas won't be affected.
The charges for those "added value" services vary widely, and go to whoever provided the facility (less a Dimos rake off, or a rent). In some places the Dimos provides tailed lines free, added as an attraction to bring more business to a location (Milos, Meganisi Porto Spilia . . . ). Water and power are only occasionally free (Finikounda!). Marinas are, of course, at the top end of this value chain.
So the choice as to whether to add services, and how much to charge for them, lies locally.
Sailfree
Well-known member
So Greece are no longer part of the EU offering free transit of EU citizens. I can understand the need to pay for port facilities that you use.
jimbaerselman
New member
Citizens can transit freely. Unlike in Croatia, where "sojourn tax" is paid by visitors.
It's boats which have to contribute towards maintaining maritime infrastructure; rescue, lighthouses, bouyage, state provided quaysides, breakwaters. Britain used to have a "lighthouse" fee. France charges its registered boats a circulation tax, even if they're not circulating in France. Portugal charges everyone circulation fees, very low ones though.