Greek Cruising Tax update from the CA

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Tepai entry instructions

E-TEPAI System. – User Guide. 10th May 2019
Prepared by Christopher Robb – United Kingdom Cruising Association
Note: Tested using Windows 10 and Google Chrome. Other browsers may have different issues.
Note: Might be difficult on a small mobile device – suggest a full size screen is used for the initial registration and set up
https://www.aade.gr/polites/etepai
After the introduction sign in on the APP
https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/
This opens in a new screen
Select UK Flag for Language.
The Screen now has access to the FAQs and a manual.
FAQs – the old version is here (reported)
Manual – does not link to anything yet (reported)
Login.
There are 2 types – E-TEPAI and a login for TAXISnet users
TEPAI Login.
Select Register for the first time.
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Press Register to await a confirmation email. This took 18 minutes to come.
When it comes – press HERE on the email – this take you to the login screen

Login using your email address and password AND Passport number.
This takes you to a summary of your registrations – which at this stage is empty. Top right is a button for NEW APPLICATION.
WARNING:
The system as set up uses “Auto Fill”. This will cause major issues as it fills in the wrong fields. So you must check after filling in the address etc that all data entered is correct.
You are require to fill in all fields with a single * and ** and *** as you don’t have a TIN.
Problem fields:
Post Code – will only accept 5 characters – GU273 when it should be GU27 3LZ so I just put that in and have reported the issue – which may be browser related.
Port Of registry. It requires a search to be made – so type in your port of registry – ie Southampton GB. If you give less you may have to hunt through 30 pages. It’s a very bad search program!
Then fill in remaining *, ** and *** items. You can accept the NO default if you are not applying for a 12 months 20% discount.
Unless you are Part 1 registered, you don’t need to put in Gross Registered Tonnage or Tonnage
You then come to 2 blue buttons
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Liable Persons Information:
Note: persons entered here are Joint and severally Liable. Choose either Owner or Holder/User A Holder or User is a person named on the DEKPA as an alternate person to the owner - the User would be a regular skipper of the boat.
In my case I entered myself as the owner only but I will add my Son as a user later. This has implication re Chartering and by entering a user that should prevent you falling foul of the charter laws.
It appears that you can only enter one liable person – so I entered myself. Google chrome filled in all the address details, but it the website is incorrectly coded and the info goes into all the wrong places – so DOUBLE CHECK ALL FIELDS. It is difficult to check later and it overwrites the Boat name with the Owner name.
Then click on TEPAI info.
Date of entry into Greek waters – this is a Y/N selection – if you are there already click Y
Will the ship remain in Greek Ports all year Y/N - This must be related to the annual discount of 20% you can get if you pay in December each year for the FULL next year. I answered Yes though I will only use 4 months or so fees. The system should automatically calculate the fees and discount in the payment section.
Select the Months of Tax you want by clicking on the month(s). – I did June, July, September, October. I will haul out for July and August so will be automatically out of use. Those in a Marina will need to deposit papers with Port police.
When that’s done – click Green Button at top right Temporary Submitted.
This brings up a summary of your entries including the application number SSR14160200000000619
If all ok Press Red button to “Submit” at top right.
If you have errors they will be listed at the top in red – not always very clear.
Note also that some users have seen an error message here. Re login and you may well see your entry saved. This may be a browser problem.
Under bank details it requires ID type and your passport number.
Once the error have been corrected and you have checked the months and payment total, re submit.

You then get a summary of everything again but now with your registry entry at the bottom. Check this – NOTE that the status is now SUBMITTED you have completed your submission.

NEXT
You will get an email with 2 attachments. Print them boat off or save them as downloads for later. The important thing is the 20 digit reference which you will need for payment.
NEXT
Payment.
I chose to pay using my Barclays on line overseas payments.
Select to pay an amount in EUROS - do NOT let it convert to Euros for you.
You have approx. 120 seconds to complete before your rate expires and you have to refresh rate.
Enter the relevant codes.
Note – it is recommended that you cut and paste all long numbers to avoid error.
 Recipient bank: BNGRGRAA (Bank of Greece)
 IBAN (field 59 of swift): GR1201000230000000481090510
 Remittance information ( field 70 of swift): the 20 numbers (no letters, punctuation and spaces) of TEPAI payment code
Press confirm!
Then check up a day later (up to 4 if over weekend) if your money has been received.
Checking Payment Status:
This is convoluted: There are 2 ways. If you just want to see your status use the first.
Method 1.
Login, Scroll to the bottom and right – click on the Blue edit button
Scroll down again to the bottom and scroll right and a Green Button marked E- Paravolo. Click and the status will come up on screen.
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Status changes to Paid in Greek. And a date of receipt shows up
Method 2.
Log on, scroll right to the 3 buttons –Edit (Blue) Print (light Blue) or Delete (red)
Click on Print and a pdf file will be displayed/downloaded.
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Either save this to your device remembering where you put it or print it out.
If you cannot print it, you may be able to email it to a friendly person or email to the local Port Police for them to print. You may get away with just showing it on screen.
THIS IS YOUR RECEIPT
Editing your Entry
You cannot do this until your payment is received.
You should be able to log in and select the field. The Authors payment is lost in the Bank of Greece so he cannot test this function.

Go sailing.

Any problems – post them on this thread.

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Re: Tepai entry instructions

Hooray, I pressed print again when I was logged in and the downloaded form had paid on it, even though the application itself still does not show it is paid when you go on the edit and press the green eParavolo tab

This will do for me though, as I will have something to show the Port Police, thanks again Chris for all your help - really appreciated
 

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I have paid and the payment is now showing as paid. But, I only paid until July as it is not possible to get a refund for over payment. My question may be a bit premature but I can find no info on future payments either online or in the FAQ’s. Any ideas on how this is done? Edit the original application or make a complete new application?
 

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I have paid and the payment is now showing as paid. But, I only paid until July as it is not possible to get a refund for over payment. My question may be a bit premature but I can find no info on future payments either online or in the FAQ’s. Any ideas on how this is done? Edit the original application or make a complete new application?
I asked here and was told future payments are made exactly the same way as your first payment.
You login email password and passport number.
And you go through the whole process again and you are issued with a new 20 digit number.
 

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I asked here and was told future payments are made exactly the same way as your first payment.
You login email password and passport number.
And you go through the whole process again and you are issued with a new 20 digit number.

I am not sure that is right. I think you just click on your existing submission for the extra months - but it is top of my list to find out. I cannot check it as my payment is lost!!!!! once the new one comes, I can then check as the account is locked till then.
 

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I am not sure that is right. I think you just click on your existing submission for the extra months - but it is top of my list to find out. I cannot check it as my payment is lost!!!!! once the new one comes, I can then check as the account is locked till then.

It will be nice to know properly but that's what vasili the tax harbour master told me here in orei.
But he is learning the ropes as well as we are really because it's new to him as well isn't it.
 

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I am not sure that is right. I think you just click on your existing submission for the extra months - but it is top of my list to find out. I cannot check it as my payment is lost!!!!! once the new one comes, I can then check as the account is locked till then.
Many thanks Chris.
I will also post again if I find out first.
Bryan.
 

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I asked here and was told future payments are made exactly the same way as your first payment.
You login email password and passport number.
And you go through the whole process again and you are issued with a new 20 digit number.

Colic - you were correct.
To add another month, Login and do a NEW APPLICATION.

simples
 

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Just to confirm that paying using Transferwise works fine. No problem with 20 digit number.
Bit daft having to fill in all the info again for adding a month or two given all the data is there.
 

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Ok Chris thank you for confirming that.
You are the man in the know but the Greek guys here were saying oh no you have to do it all again....
So I was hoping you were right...
Hey ho....

Nauplia:
I spoke to a few people who had paid, usually after a bit of walking. i.e. Going to Port Authority and then being sent to Port Police or some sort of Agent (who knew nothing and sent them to Port Police). Last I heard the Port Police were fed up doing the work for people who couldn't get the online system to work and said they wouldn't do any more.

Portoheli:
One person sent inland to KEP office in Kranidi where their paper form was printed before sending them to the bank to pay.

A Swedish guy gave up and paid an Agent 30 euro to sort it out (and he also had problems)

Paralio Astros:
A couple of people had problems with the online system initially but had paid. I think a Spanish guy was stuck until he realised that the system couldn't handle his Spanish registration number. He solved it by leaving out _ or - characters in his boat reg.

Everyone I spoke to had eventually sorted it out after a lot of grief. I decided that I'd better stump up some cash as Port Police come around every day in Paralio Astros. Registration, email, application entry all done quickly. Form printed out the next day and paid in Alfa Bank (+2 euro charge for service).

The system does seem to work now as long as you avoid known problems (mainly disabling autofill).

I did do several anonymous checks before submitting my real data and the web-app is very poorly written. However, you can use this to advantage in some ways.

e.g. Common problem of submitting an application and then discovering errors in the form.
The system will block repeat attempts to submit a new application with same data (boat reg. is probably the issue). You tend to get an error because a submission already exists for the boat and months you want. This happens even if you try to register again with a different email address.

I found that adding spaces to the end of fields solved the problem. The system sees Reg. "123456" and "123456 " as different. Same with boat names. This seemed to allow a second chance to create an entry and generate a different 20 digit e-paravolo number.

I think that the e-Paravolo is made by concatenating the boat reg. number and a unique ID (probably number of applications created). The programmers do strip spaces when doing this and so "123456 " does come back as "123456" at the start of e-paravolo.

It seemed happy to accept a space in lieu of a company name. I used this to tidy up my real form, it just looks tidier when blank instead of something like "Not applicable" tacked on after you name in the Paravolo form (e.g. "Smith Not Applicable").

Of course this is likely to cause problems for their system in future if anyone tries to find an entry by reg number. "123456 " won't be found if looking specifically for "123456". I guess that could even be a bonus if anything mucking up their system is considered a good thing.

Port Police haven't shown the slightest interest in seeing the TEPAI. I tried not showing it, putting it in plain sight to one side and even leafing through it to read out my phone number when they wanted it beside my signature on their documents. Nothing, nada, nil not even a glance the direction of the form. :D:D
 
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As the form asks for the boat length, which presumably the tax rate is calculated from, did anyone get the boat length they specified checked against the length on the registration certificate yet? Just curious :distracted:
 
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What happens next when my bank send the payment with the CORRECT - IBAN number and 20 digit code - checked numerous times, but payment is returned with message 'incorrect account number'
Any ideas, is there an email address to write to in Greece?
Charles
 

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I will be visiting Greece next month and will be applying for a transit log on arrival. Does anyone know if I need to preregister and pay the tax before I go to Customs for the transit log or will they accept payment from me?
My boat is registered in Jersey which I guess means It has a "British" flag. Unfortunately neither Britain or Jersey are an option on the drop-down Flag menu. So I guess I'll have to declare the flag as "united Kingdom" even though it's not.
 

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What happens next when my bank send the payment with the CORRECT - IBAN number and 20 digit code - checked numerous times, but payment is returned with message 'incorrect account number'
Any ideas, is there an email address to write to in Greece?
Charles

What is the payee? People who used 'Bank of Greece' or similar have the same experience. Have you used BNGRGRAA? That worked straight off for me.
Otherwise a PM to Chris Robb may work.
 

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From other Kiwi and Aussie sailors who havejust been through the process in Preveza, you can settle the Tepai at Customs while they issue you with the Transit Log. Ours is deposited there at the moment and we will collect and pay as part of our usual process of putting the boat "in use". We will actually be clearing out at the same time, so will be curious to see how that all works out.
 

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Re: Tepai entry instructions

As the form asks for the boat length, which presumably the tax rate is calculated from, did anyone get the boat length they specified checked against the length on the registration certificate yet? Just curious :distracted:
Bit bloody stupid of them not to check out the lie....
 
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