Grandbanks 36 import?

[Guest]

I am considering purchasing a Grand banks 36 Classic. They seem to be considerably cheaper in USA+ larger choice. BUT trying to get an idea of all additional charges for importing. Is it worth it? Transportation back to UK main cost but no idea. Taxes etc. Looking at the wooden built ones at around £40K. before anyone tries putting me off buying an old wooden tug. Married, 2 young children, large dog, basically want it as a floating caravan with lots of space inside and to use on Windermere for next couple of years and then maybe move to the coast. Any advice appreciated.
Currently have a Bayliner 2958 on Windermere, no jokes please, good value for money and lots of room inside, but would like something bigger

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[milltech]

I sold my GPS 1973 Grand Banks the other way to the USA, I guess it depends where the exchange rate happens to be.

There is a US Coastguard site where you can search for US boats if you know the names. http://psix.uscg.mil/PSIX2/VesselSearch.asp

I did a search on "Stray Shot" the name of my old boat and it's there, of course it doesn't mean it's the same boat but I think the availability of information in the USA is interesting.



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[jfm]

Delivery would be £10k ish I spect. You need to pick your time - in Autumn zillions of Med boats (sunsail and moorings) go to Caribee so return Eastbound ships are empty hence cheaper. Opposite in Spring. Unfortunately, it is now Spring, dang.

There's a load of EU and CE stuff which I dont understand. Search here for CE and there have been loads of posts. Suspect it might not matter if you keep quiet and dont plan to sell the boat for a long while

Not sure about a wooden hull though, lots of painting

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[AJW]

Think if you buy an old enough boat then CE / RCD not an issue?
Shipping is going to be expensive but I've thought nearer £7-8k than 10.

AJ

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[jfm]

Dunno, the 10k is a guess. UK - Med is 6k for a 42footer, I know for sure.

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[Blue_Blazes]

I'm also looking into buying an older boat in the US. I haven't had a firm quote yet but was given a ball park figure of about 4K for transatlantic shipping. You will be liable for import duty, in my case customs have told me it will be 1.7% of combined purchase/shipping costs to first port of entry to EU. I'm in the Channel Islands so VAT doesn't apply. Not sure whether it would apply in UK. Best check with Customs & Excise.

Good Luck,

Bill.

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[tcm]

google for dockexpress for prices. It's 23 ish grand transat for a 75 footer.

The CE marking is protectionist twaddle against massive dirt cheap imports. I'd do what you want. Has anybody ever been stopped, or heard of anyone stopped by the cops or whatever and -gasp- your car/boat/cdplayer is not CE marked so I will have to destroy it.

Oh and i agree about no jokes about windermere. But if you want something bigger i suggest Lake Geneva.

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[milltech]

erm... I meant GRP of course.

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[kingfisher]

Boats that were on the EU market before 16 june 1998 are exempt from the RCD. But as this boat has never been on the EU market, it is considered 'new'.

As TCM rightfully put (OMG, I agree with TCM?): "The CE marking is protectionist twaddle [fwew, still some disagreement left] against massive dirt cheap imports"

So who is going to stop you?
1) Customs
The declaration of conformity is an essential customs document, if the goods are shipped through a third party. Less of a problem if you sail the boat in yourself

2) Insurers and Banks
In the Netherlands, insurers [sp?] and bankers sometimes like a copy of the declaration of conformity before they give you coverage/mortgage

3) Buyers
When selling the boat later on, you might run into trouble with potential buyers. Even with an advance payement, the absense of legaly required documents is grounds for annulation of the contract.
Certainly, brokers shouldn't touch non-compliant boats with a ten-foot pole, as their professional liability goes a bit further than your average consumers.

4) Registration
To get a registration in Belgium, I needed to prove that my vessel was excempt (1973 built. Happy Birthday, darling).

If the boat is less than 12m, owner-assessment is relatively simple. Otherwise, contact Grand Banks. They sell their boats in the EU, so they are bound to comply anyway. Ask them what, if existing, are the differences between a EU/USA model (aside from the 24V-bit, keep this in mind as well: you'll have toconsider re-doing the wiring of the boat). Ask them if they can certify the boat. It could be cheaper than getting it done here by a consultant.

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[milltech]

ex. UK boats?

Just out of interest, does anyone know if this would be the same problem for lets say:

A. A boat manufactured in the UK in the 60's or 70's or 80's and exported to anywhere, then being returned, or

B. A boat formerly Part 1 registered in the UK, then sold aboard, now being purchased and requesting a re-registration.



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[kingfisher]

Re: ex. UK boats?

A. Not excempt, was never put on the EU market. So a Moody, built in 1973, exported to the USA, and now reimported in the EU, needs to comply with the RCD

B. Excempt:has been on the EU market in the past (before 16/6/98), so does not need to comply with the RCD

Basicaly you need to be able to prove that the boat has been "on the market": bill of sale, registration, VAT payement,.... A visit to the EU won't do.

EU is in fact EEA, so includes Norway, Iceland, and that large boating community that is Liechtenstein.

Also included are certain overseas areas: BVI, St-Maarten, Guadeloupe,..


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