Girl, 15, dies in Southampton boat crash

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Very sad, perhaps excessive speed was involved, but hitting a buoy ought to be largely avoidable. The MAIB report will answer questions.
 

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"A commercial trip run by a local company" with a dozen people on board so, presumably a professional driving. He's going to be asked some awkward questions and the wrong answers could easily lead to a manslaughter charge. I'm not saying he was negligent - a mechanical fault or a medical issue is always possible - but it has to be a possibility.

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It crashed into a navigation buoy ... thankfully not into another vessel.

The number lives lost in these high powered craft is increasing all the time.

I guess the time for licencing of craft with large power and speed capacities is arriving ... including jet skis.

Idiots racing them through anchorages where people are swimming is common - people being thrown from fast RIBs not unusual.
 

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It crashed into a navigation buoy ... thankfully not into another vessel.

The number lives lost in these high powered craft is increasing all the time.

I guess the time for licencing of craft with large power and speed capacities is arriving ... including jet skis.

Idiots racing them through anchorages where people are swimming is common - people being thrown from fast RIBs not unusual.


This boat will have been licensed.
 

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"A commercial trip run by a local company" with a dozen people on board so, presumably a professional driving. He's going to be asked some awkward questions and the wrong answers could easily lead to a manslaughter charge. I'm not saying he was negligent - a mechanical fault or a medical issue is always possible - but it has to be a possibility.

Condolences to the bereaved and wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured
In choppy conditions the boat may have veered off course. Which is a lot different to someone not paying attention and running into a buoy. It will be interesting to know what happened.
 

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It crashed into a navigation buoy ... thankfully not into another vessel.

The number lives lost in these high powered craft is increasing all the time.

I guess the time for licencing of craft with large power and speed capacities is arriving ... including jet skis.

Idiots racing them through anchorages where people are swimming is common - people being thrown from fast RIBs not unusual.
What a silly, knee jerk post.
1 evidence your “increasing all the time” statement
2 It was licenced. So what are you proposing changing?
 

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What a silly, knee jerk post.
1 evidence your “increasing all the time” statement
2 It was licenced. So what are you proposing changing?

Just to play devil's advocate, it's entirely possible for someone to do their PB2 course and a handful of other short courses then go straight out and drive a boat with hundreds of hp and a dozen paying customers aboard. These big RIBs can do 50kt in flat water.
When I did my PB2 there were people on the course with almost no experience whatsoever. We all passed. I'm not saying you get a certificate for turning up, but I suspect some training centres are more fastidious than others...
 

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Just to play devil's advocate, it's entirely possible for someone to do their PB2 course and a handful of other short courses then go straight out and drive a boat with hundreds of hp and a dozen paying customers aboard.

Commercial PB2 is only three miles from departure point, though, and these boats run at least the length of Southampton Water. Maybe they use people with only PB2 (and the supporting courses for endorsement) but they probably shouldn’t.

In any case, Cloona didn’t call for any particular level of training, just “a license”. Which as Dom and Elessar point out, a commercial RIB-ride operation will already have for both boat and skipper.

Pete
 

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Commercial PB2 is only three miles from departure point, though, and these boats run at least the length of Southampton Water. Maybe they use people with only PB2 (and the supporting courses for endorsement) but they probably shouldn’t.

In any case, Cloona didn’t call for any particular level of training, just “a license”. Which as Dom and Elessar point out, a commercial RIB-ride operation will already have for both boat and skipper.

Pete
It's common for rib outfits to use PB2 skippers, they need the experience to get the higher advanced PB which enables them to operate further out to sea. It's how I started.
If it was an 'adrenaline' experience, they only need stay in the harbour
 

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i did a pb2 ------i would say you do get a pass for turning up------------one site i looked at advertised 100% pass rate------i also passed my cevni------less said about that the better-----to all those who reccomend licences look at usa where i believe boat licences are compulsory-----------check youtube for american idiot boat "drivers" -----------ps if you have no boating experience then i think pb2 is a useful course but i don t think you can fail
 

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Just to play devil's advocate, it's entirely possible for someone to do their PB2 course and a handful of other short courses then go straight out and drive a boat with hundreds of hp and a dozen paying customers aboard. These big RIBs can do 50kt in flat water.
When I did my PB2 there were people on the course with almost no experience whatsoever. We all passed. I'm not saying you get a certificate for turning up, but I suspect some training centres are more fastidious than others...

First, so very sorry to hear of the loss of such a young life and condolences to all concerned.

Before the witch hunt starts in ernest.

I drive a 600HP cruiser on a PB2, which is a novelty because many other skippers I know drive even more powerful vessels with no qualifications at all.

Message, it’s not the qualifications you hold but the common sense and maturity you bring with you that counts.

Additionally a bit of experience helps - but there is no short cut to that.
 

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i did a pb2 ------i would say you do get a pass for turning up------------one site i looked at advertised 100% pass rate------i also passed my cevni------less said about that the better-----to all those who reccomend licences look at usa where i believe boat licences are compulsory-----------check youtube for american idiot boat "drivers" -----------ps if you have no boating experience then i think pb2 is a useful course but i don t think you can fail
It's not a pass or fail course, you just need to complete it
 
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