Generic Unbranded Unthickened Bleach

[Neeves]

Providing another post on which ylop can, unnecessarily, vent his sarcasm.

The Guardian, Australia edition, published a couple of days ago a report, Best Buy, on spot stain removals.

I can imagine ylop rubbing his hands with glee - Australian survey relevant to the UK ......?

The Best Buy, most effective and cheapest, was from Aldi and I don't know but they might have universal composition, seems unlikely they will have a special formula for the UK and Australia.

It, and their other whitening offerings might be equally cheap and effective - presumably look for a UK Which survey.

Jonathan

 

[ylop]

The Best Buy, most effective and cheapest, was from Aldi and I don't know but they might have universal composition, seems unlikely they will have a special formula for the UK and Australia.

Dalry, Edinburgh, has a fine selection of shops selling bleach. Aldi, Lidl, jump to mind. …

As I said, the supermarkets I've tried, including examples of the names that jump to your mind, didnt have it, though they had many variants on the thick stuff.

Providing another post on which ylop can, unnecessarily, vent his sarcasm.

Happy now

 

[mogmog2]

I would be very wary about spraying bleach - you really really don't want it in your lungs. You can obviously take preventative steps, but they need to be up to the task.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

No one else in Scotland has the problem the OP is facing, which is of his own making. Buy any household cleaning products and clean the inside of your boat. Job done, no YBW drama, no time wasted on here, clean boat, happy ducked, probably. Want to clean your deck as well, get on with it, no pressure washer, no problem, just a scrubbing brush, buckets of water and washing up liquid will do the job. Drama Queen Ducked!

 

[ducked]

I see. So your reaction to my seeking thin generic bleach is an attempt to shame me for non-conformance with the mass market?

One expects this sort of "No demand for that these days SIR. We find people MUCH prefer the New Improved Profitability Potion, which is all they can get" jive from retailers, but it seems a peculiar thing for a private punter to be pushing, assuming you are not a Bleach Baron.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

I see. So your reaction to my seeking thin generic bleach is an attempt to shame me for non-conformance with the mass market?

One expects this sort of "No demand for that these days SIR. We find people MUCH prefer the New Improved Profitability Potion, which is all they can get" jive from retailers, but it seems a peculiar thing for a private punter to be pushing, assuming you are not a Bleach Baron.

Something like that, the new improved bit, not the shame bit which I have no opinion on. I do apologise if I have made you feel that way.

 

[justanothersailboat]

I'm generally with Ducked here. Basic bleach may be a little old fashioned now but it is cheap and versatile. As with other basic chemical products it's a nuisance that it's now much less common off-the-shelf, mostly replaced by things with narrower uses like thickened bleach, or by expensive versions like branded spray bottles with the same stuff in lower concentration with a little soap or ghastly "scent" for far more money. It's reasonable to check where basic alternatives are still available, but sadly it's rarely going to be worth going to much trouble, so availability is unlikely to turn around.

The swimming pool digression was a bit odd.

 

[Laser310]

The swimming pool digression was a bit odd.

it's relatively on-topic for this forum...

I buy 100 gallons of 10-12% bleach for my swimming pool each year.

If you use bleach with any regularity, finding a store that caters to pool owners is a good idea - you will get 10 or 12% bleach for about the same price per gallon as the weak stuff they sell in regular shops.

I use the pool stuff around the home - mixing whatever strength i need.

 

[justanothersailboat]

ok if you have a pool shop nearby, I was thinking of the bit about asking a public pool!

 

[Laser310]

ok if you have a pool shop nearby, I was thinking of the bit about asking a public pool!

well, now I am OT.., but; do public pools use liquid chlorine?

It's a bit of a pain to deal with - it's heavy and takes up a lot of room compared with the tablets.

I figure it's more of a homeowner thing

 

[ducked]

Something like that, the new improved bit, not the shame bit which I have no opinion on. I do apologise if I have made you feel that way.

You called me a "drama queen", which I didnt think was intended as a compliment.
If I thought I was being a drama queen, I suppose I might feel a bit ashamed
Since I dont (not in this context, anyway) I'm merely mildly surprised and a bit irritated.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

You called me a "drama queen", which I didnt think was intended as a compliment.
If I thought I was being a drama queen, I suppose I might feel a bit ashamed
Since I dont (not in this context, anyway) I'm merely mildly surprised and a bit irritated.

I did not call you that. I suggested that if you used common products drama could be avoided, using a play on words.

 

[ducked]

I did not call you that. I suggested that if you used common products drama could be avoided, using a play on words.

Simply untrue. "Drama Queen Ducked" is not "a play on words" They are words with meaning, and in this case, a clear example of name calling.

 

[ducked]

To introduce a bit more drama potential, I have used sunflower oil with aluminium as an anti-rust paint for several years in an automotive context and found it to be quite effective (and VERY cost effective).

It just occured to me that partially chlorinated sunflower oil might have some advantage in microbial resistance, and treating with bleach MIGHT be one way to achieve that.

Thats another reason to look for a simple generic product, since I wouldnt want or need the extras in the branded thickened stuff, whatever they are.

 

[justanothersailboat]

Wouldn't there be a bit of a risk that the bleach might react with the aluminium to make flaky grey ex-aluminium crumble, preventing the alu from doing the job it normally does in that concoction?

 

[ducked]

Wouldn't there be a bit of a risk that the bleach might react with the aluminium to make flaky grey ex-aluminium crumble, preventing the alu from doing the job it normally does in that concoction?

Dunno. I may find out
But I'd doubt it, because I think that, with an excess of oil, there wont be much free bleach in the product, since it will have reacted.

You'd need an excess of oil since if the oil becomes fully chlorinated (IF that were achievable) there perhaps wouldnt be any free bonds left and it wouldnt polymerise, which it needs to do to be a paint. Linseed might be better in this respect since it has more double bonds.

IF there is a bit more oxidation of the aluminium, its notional cathodic protection function (if any) might be compromised, but it should still act as an inert filler.

A possibly bigger snag, IF there is free bleach in the product, would be that it might promote the corrosion of the steel or iron one was trying to protect.

A possibly yet bigger snag is that the product might be carcinogenic

Chlorinated Paraffins (C12, 60% Chlorine) - 15th Report on Carcinogens - NCBI Bookshelf

This'll need a bit more investigation, and some testing before operational use, and I may well not get around to the stage of using it for real, or even at all.

 

[justanothersailboat]

Oh I see. Interesting.

 

[Neeves]

Aluminium flake is quite commonly used to protect steel from corrosion, not as effective as zinc powder and definitely not as effective as galvanising. Silberline (owned by Altana) are one of the biggest players in aluminium pigments. if you are using aluminium flake as a pigment in a paint you really need a decent resin system or the aluminium will simply be 'washed' off.

Jonathan

 

[ylop]

It just occured to me that partially chlorinated sunflower oil might have some advantage in microbial resistance, and treating with bleach MIGHT be one way to achieve that.

Do you have many worries about microbial activity on car bodies?

Household bleach is typically a mix of sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide (caustic) in solution. The balance/control of these being important to get the right amount of “free chlorine” to do the stuff you want and not so much that you just get clouds of Chlorine gas and no “shelf life”.

Generally not a good idea to be doing DIY chemistry! Adding high surface area aluminium to bleach is probably not a good idea - at best you accelerate corrosion, at worst the fire service will be wandering round in their Michelin man costumes!

 

[ducked]

Do you have many worries about microbial activity on car bodies?

Household bleach is typically a mix of sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide (caustic) in solution. The balance/control of these being important to get the right amount of “free chlorine” to do the stuff you want and not so much that you just get clouds of Chlorine gas and no “shelf life”.

Generally not a good idea to be doing DIY chemistry! Adding high surface area aluminium to bleach is probably not a good idea - at best you accelerate corrosion, at worst the fire service will be wandering round in their Michelin man costumes!

I have no worries about microbial activity on car bodiies, since I no longer have a car. I do, however, have a boat, and these, being wet things, see a lot of microbial and macrobial action. That said, my last car grew mould in enclosed spaces, and at various times hosted rats, ghekko, frogs (when the sills were flooded) and bivouac ants.