Gaff schooner sunk in Brixham

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What gets me is they are fitting airbags and inflating them and all the time the tide is lowering. Low tide is around 3pm. Maybe that's what they are aiming for.
 

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What gets me is they are fitting airbags and inflating them and all the time the tide is lowering. Low tide is around 3pm. Maybe that's what they are aiming for.

Yeah why wouldn't they - let the tide do the lifting. I recovered a sunk flying 15 that way.
 

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Yep that's what you would think but first thing this morning they dropped airbags down then inflated them. then actually had a go lifting with the HIAB. Very ambitious of them, don't know what they thought would happen.
I've seen 8 airbags in total now, at least 4 large bags down there.
 

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I'm not sure that checking insurance is a guarantee of anything. Various threads on ybw have revealed that there are people either blind to the circumstantial evidence that some insurers offering cheap 'no survey' insurance have a poor record on paying out, or going with them and admitting that it's their only route to such a worthless certificate. Add to that the number who might stoop to using photoshop and a printer.
At one time Basic Boat Insurance - who are, as far as I know, quite reputable - didn't ask for any boat details at all when selling their third party insurance, so a certificate from them could be used, theoretically, for multiple boats in multiple places.
 

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I would suggest it is not new age but has always been part of the marine fabric. On the Firth of Clyde for as long as I have sailed on it (since the late 70's) junk boats have always been a feature. In the 70's and 80's it was generally old work boats, ex fishing boats, MTBs, barges and even Puffer hulks filling corners of harbours and basins. All now long gone, cleared out, harbours opened up and basins reconstituted for the leisure market.

Ah, happy memories. The outer basic at Bowling was always particularly good for wreck watching until they cleared the east end fr the canal re-opening. The west end still has a few, but all in a very advanced stage of picturesque decay. The Leven at Dumbarton was also a good place to spot 'em.

Mostly gone, as you say, but there are still a few around. There was one on a visitor mooring at Millport for ages and Lochgoilhead had half a dozen or so last summer.

Your post has also prompted me to try to find out what became of the Arctic Penguin. According to this, she became HMY Britain, which seems highly implausible. Inveraray Pier has been a disgrace for years, but it seems a community buy-out is being attempted, and good luck to them. The amounts involved would be small change to Argyll and Bute Council if they weren't a bunch of factional, in-fighting incompetents.
 

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At one time Basic Boat Insurance - who are, as far as I know, quite reputable - didn't ask for any boat details at all when selling their third party insurance, so a certificate from them could be used, theoretically, for multiple boats in multiple places.

My BB certificate for this year has the boat name and type (or reg num if there is one) but someone willing to pull a fast one could obvs easily fake or doctor an insurance certificate.
 

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Yep that's what you would think but first thing this morning they dropped airbags down then inflated them. then actually had a go lifting with the HIAB. Very ambitious of them, don't know what they thought would happen.
I've seen 8 airbags in total now, at least 4 large bags down there.
I don't know what the lifting capacity of the airbags is, but for them to be manageable individually, it can't be much more than 5tonnes, five cubic metres, each? With that size, they would 10+.
 

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I'm no expert although I have done some airbag lifting, I don't get what they are doing. It's a falling tide, the airbags are inflated on tight lines and the forward mast has risen approx 9 inches. Now to me it seems the diver will have to deflate the bags and go round tightening the lines to achieve a lift on the rising tide unless they only want it just off the bottom.
 

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I'm no expert although I have done some airbag lifting, I don't get what they are doing. It's a falling tide, the airbags are inflated on tight lines and the forward mast has risen approx 9 inches. Now to me it seems the diver will have to deflate the bags and go round tightening the lines to achieve a lift on the rising tide unless they only want it just off the bottom.


Trev, you're next career is in commentating on Cricket, Rugby, The America's Cup, etc! (y)

Why not set up a field studio there, go out and interview the protagonists, and then discuss their respective efforts later?

And do a Paxman on the Harbourmaster!
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As if the Harbour Master hasn't got enough. A fishing boat has sunk in Paignton harbour now, I say sunk but more like settled on bottom as it's fully exposed just now at low tide.
 

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Is that true? I'd have thought maintaining and managing a pier would be an open ended liability.
The appeal for purchase a restoration of Inverary Pier is for £100k. That's 0.04% of the Argyll and Bute Council annual budget. Mind you, that's the council which spent £85k on new handrails for Helensburgh pier but didn't actually make it usable by ships.
 
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