Furious!!!!! The Result

[oldgit]

Well said.

Perhaps this chaps demise was richly deserved but let us hope that not to many people in this unfortunate ex employees family will be adversely affected by this matter through no fault of their own.
As for seeking some sort of back slapping approval on this forum,my aversion with this,possibly reflects a difference in our culture not understood by some.IMHO

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[hlb]

Re: Well said.

I Suppose that veiw would extend to the families of jailed murderers and granny rapists??

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[tcm]

New employee dismissal procedures

yes... B1 is correct: from October 1st, any dismissal which dosn't follow the new and precise procedures means it is automatically "unfair". Even if it was due to something that might be "gross miscondct". Also, from Oct 1, it is the duty of employers to inform employees of these procedures with regard to any grievanvce. If he goes anywhere near a employment tribunal, he has a case. In fact, if he signs on, they may refer him through the system to ACAS. erk. Still bemused at how this went for "months" i must say...

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[lanason]

Re: New employee dismissal procedures

Looks like the Nanny State is here forever !!!

Bring back Public floggings, stoning and beatings. Keel hauling and walking the plank even.

Then we may get back a bit of respect for authority ......

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[mikewilkes]

Re: New employee dismissal procedures

If he was from an ethnic minority ( maybe majority now ) then he possibly go to the race relations board - or whatever has taken over from it.



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[DERF]

"How proud of yourself you obviously feel, but this is probably not the place to boast about your dubious disciplinary practices."

You're mistaken!

"I'm wondering where you learned your people management and disciplinary "skills," especially as whatever it was had been going on for months."

Having sought legal counsel and in accordance with standard disciplinary procedure and in tow with our HR head he was fired..... I assume your further inference is that I should have known what was going on from the outset and by not doing so I must therefore lack management skills.. By its very underhand and clandestine nature this would have been impossible... or do you believe that he posted his actions on the notice board for all to see?

"I'm tempted to ask what colour the offending employee was, but I won't."

You just have you idiot!!! It never ceases to amaze me that once some of the worlds less well educated individuals realise that someone is from South Africa the "race issue" is slipped in ..... you're no doubt as ignorant as part of your post !




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[ArthurWood]

Well, if you insist on posting a self adulating, unprofessional message with only part of the details, expect the idiots here with a lot of people management and disciplinary experience to respond with their views.

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[DERF]

Touché/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[clyst]

Well said Arthur ! I only refer to my post in his original "furious" thread. Excuse my bluntness but must be a crap director to air in house problems, in his what appears to be a poorly run set up, on this forum . What was his aim ? Typical S.A approach .!!

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[powerskipper]

If you look at it from the employees side, best thing you could have done, You have shown yourself to be on their side and it will build loyalty and if something like this again , they will feel as if you are approachable.


I suspect we do not have all the facts but the principle is that this should not be happening . It has been sorted


We have all had bosses or people with our work environment that we for some reason wish where not there,
but to ex sort money for help is as bad a asking for sexual favourers for advancement, would you accept that kind of behaviour,
I could not!

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[DERF]

Ah..... that'll explain the dishonest employee Terry...

Perhaps if I wasn't such a crap director, with a poorly run outfit..... oh and maybe if I wasn't a South African too....

If I ever come across this again, I will be sure to send them on to you and Arthur coz I'm sure you'll want to employ them and treat them with the kindness and loving care that they warrant... you being a good chap, with well run setup...oh and English of course.



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[clyst]

Cheers for your sarcastic reply hope you didn't treat your ex- employee in the same manner . I'm not saying the chap should be treated with "kindness and loving care" in fact I'v no time for any person who extorts from another !! I just dont see why you posted a sensitive inhouse problem on the forum .( Out of curiosity why did you ?)There are two sides to every situation such as the one you posted,the big question is, why did he do it ? Did you ask him?? if so what was his reply?? it would be interesting to hear the other person side of the story!!
As I'v indicated in previous posts --maybe just maybe part of the problem lies at your door ,quite literally. If you cant accept that ,and I doubt that you will judging from the arrogant replies to other posts that do not wholly agree with you then tough!
Never mind may all come out in the tribunal keep us posted .
Anyother inhouse problems we can help you with??

Cheers

terry


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[Bergman]

Don't understand Arthurs problem with this

As I see you were absolutely right - reaction of other staff indicates their view of the situation.

If he cheats his colleagues he'll cheat you and your customers - good ridance to him

BTW Whats "biltong"

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[DERF]

I fear we will have to agree to disagree Terry..... Thanx for your input.



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[chippie]

Well said Arthur!

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[clyst]

Yea but you've left many questions unanswered ,but if you feel you cannot answer them thats fine . Just think you've been extremely unprofessional in airing your internal problems on an open forum such as this. Dont see what you expected to achieve cos it puts you in "bad light" as a director , staff confidentially and all that. Doesn't matter how despicable his actions were it was an internal affair and thats where it should have stayed.
All IMHO of course!!
Terry

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[Dave_Snelson]

There ya go!! I did say in my previous post that the atmosphere would improve markedly once you had kicked him out.

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[ArthurWood]

Terry- I hadn't read the original Furious thread until now, but I still stand by what I wrote and I would add some: it appears that Mr Director could do with some training or he wouldn't have put the question to this forum in the first place. He has HR and legal people to consult, so why air his dirty laundry with us? I don't think anyone in the Furious-Result thread suggested the errant employee should not be dismissed; it was the way it was done(publicly?) and the boasting which was criticised. Unprofessional and puerile IMHO. And he still doesn't get it! Must be a really arrogant under-achiever if that's all he has to crow about. But I suppose we all had to start somewhere/forums/images/icons/smile.gif. I'm going for a pint or two now and won't be back on this topic (I hadn't intended to come back to it now until I saw he brought me into it again) 'cos I might get a slap from Kim.

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[KevB]

The poor little \"victim\" of society...

What a load of tripe. The guy was un trustworthy and did not deserve anything less than being sacked in a humiliating situation in front of all his peers who he tried to extort money from.

He probably deserved a good kicking form his victims also.

How can anyone be on the side of dishonesty. This world is madness where the one who wronged gets the sympathy and support /forums/images/icons/mad.gif




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[clyst]

Re: The poor little \"victim\" of society...

Dont think anyone has supported the side of dishonesty!! reread the posts again .The critism is airing an internal matter on an open forum .IMHO NO decent director would consider such action .
Also dont forget you are only getting one side of story. Its a foolish person who judges with out the full facts .
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