Full face mask , PPE kit ???

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It's a compliance issue again !


I have to get and use a full face mask with visor for use in the saw mill. No wiggle room, no option.

Trend kit seems pretty good, but Drager masks offer the ability to be used with

1 a filter only

2 a battery powered air supply plus filter(s)

3 a powered (compressor) supply plus filter(s)


As I also have some boat scraping to do in the fairly near future, it would seem like a sensible investment, but is there anyone who uses any other kit they would suggest is worth looking at please ?

I am happy sorting out the filters for the various dusts and chemicals, but know little about the base respirator kit.
 
Are you will and able to be on the end of a hose?
There is a basic choice between filtering the local dirty air and bringing in clean air.
 
Sorry to re-awaken this thread with a drift, but I'm wondering how cheap I can go.

I've little or no understanding of the danger, so I want to be safe, but also to protect myself from a three-figure outlay.

The job is some pretty harsh gloss painting in a confined space, and a lot of contact adhesive application in the same place.

I've no idea what the contact adhesive contains, but the paint has this warning sheet (not that I understand)...

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...so my query is, is this £22 mask from 3M, with the description "Maintenance-free organic vapour respirator", good enough?

3M 4251 Maintenance-Free Organic Vapour/Particulate Respirator FFA1P2RD

The reviews are uncommonly favourable - I'm just not sure whether the foul toxins in paint and contact adhesive, come under the category "organic".

Thanks!
 
3M Health & Safety Helpline - Available Monday to Friday - 9.00am until 5.00pm:
Telephone:
0870 60 800 60

They will tell you if it's appropriate
 
Dan,

I knew a lady who used contact adhesive to fit foam backed vinyl in a quarter berth - she discovered glue sniffing long before it was trendy and didn't enjoy it one bit.

I remember when it first became a known thing, Punch magazine had a copy of the Bisto Kids with their noses in the air

" Ahh, Bostik ! "
 
BrendanS' suggestion is a good 'un.

In the meantime, I would encourage you to go for a mask which has 'FFP3' capabilities. This one, for example....

GVS DME3031 Reusable Masks P3 5 Pack

Also, you might give some thought to an air extraction system for use in the very confined workspace you're considering, and to ensuring any electrical switches are far enough away from any vapour concentration to ensure 'flashover' or explosion is improbable.
 
Thanks Brendan... (y)...and Andy... :ROFLMAO:

Zoidberg, I was assuming that a single mask at over £20 would be better suited to dealing with really horrible airborne chemical stuff, than a pack of five less substantial ones for less money. No science or knowledge behind my assumption, just long memories of disposable paper dust masks and how ineffectual they seem to be for solvents. Does FFP3 filter the choking vapours created by contact adhesive?
 
dancrane said:
Thanks Brendan... (y)...and Andy... :ROFLMAO:

Zoidberg, I was assuming that a single mask at over £20 would be better suited to dealing with really horrible airborne chemical stuff, than a pack of five less substantial ones for less money. No science or knowledge behind my assumption, just long memories of disposable paper dust masks and how ineffectual they seem to be for solvents. Does FFP3 filter the choking vapours created by contact adhesive?
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P1 P2 P3, refers to dust particles only. There are other letters for protection from gases and vapours.

A single £20 mask will only have a limited life. The alternative is a mask with changeable filters.
 
zoidberg said:
BrendanS' suggestion is a good 'un.

In the meantime, I would encourage you to go for a mask which has 'FFP3' capabilities. This one, for example....

GVS DME3031 Reusable Masks P3 5 Pack

Also, you might give some thought to an air extraction system for use in the very confined workspace you're considering, and to ensuring any electrical switches are far enough away from any vapour concentration to ensure 'flashover' or explosion is improbable.
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ffp3 is much more applicable to coronavirus than to volatiles.
 
I'd suggest not using lots of contact adhesive in a confined space. There is probably a much better solution.
Likewise, lots of solvent based gloss paint in a confined space is a bad idea, the lack of air will retard its drying and the finish will be crap.
 
dancrane said:
Sorry to re-awaken this thread with a drift, but I'm wondering how cheap I can go.
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Fair enough. I can relate to this as I've been known to be a bit tight on occasions.

dancrane said:
I've little or no understanding of the danger, so I want to be safe,
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Alarm bells are ringing. You need to find out about them then. Your life and health is at stake (literally) so speak to someone who does this sort of thing for a living and see what their risk assessment says to use to protect you.
 
sarabande said:
It's a compliance issue again !


I have to get and use a full face mask with visor for use in the saw mill. No wiggle room, no option.

Trend kit seems pretty good, but Drager masks offer the ability to be used with

1 a filter only

2 a battery powered air supply plus filter(s)

3 a powered (compressor) supply plus filter(s)


As I also have some boat scraping to do in the fairly near future, it would seem like a sensible investment, but is there anyone who uses any other kit they would suggest is worth looking at please ?

I am happy sorting out the filters for the various dusts and chemicals, but know little about the base respirator kit.
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If you choose the right filter and get the mask to fit all will be safe. 2 big caveats there.

The choice of mask Is about comfort and convenience therefore.

Standard mask the most likely to steam up. And it gets harder to breath as the filter blocks. Depends on what you are filtering, lots of particulates and they block often.

Air fed and it’s always easy to breath. The battery type is good at resisting misting (but not immune in high humidity) but loads of air is going through the filter - far more than you breath - so if there are a lot of particulates they block quickly.
Remote air fed is the perfect mask but you are tied to the pipes. And getting the air supply sorted is pricey.

Make sure you can get replacement visors cheaply and that they are easy to change. If you are being hit by a lot of particulates they scratch quickly so peel off plastic covers prolong visor life.

The ARCO catalogue is informative.
 
langstonelayabout said:
Alarm bells are ringing. You need to find out about them then. Your life and health is at stake (literally) so speak to someone who does this sort of thing for a living and see what their risk assessment says to use to protect you.
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Thanks for that - I reckon I'd be at greatest risk if I had assumed it wasn't worth enquiring here first. I'm thinking Brendan's suggestion of talking to 3M is the best course.

lw395 said:
I'd suggest not using lots of contact adhesive in a confined space. There is probably a much better solution.
Likewise, lots of solvent based gloss paint in a confined space is a bad idea, the lack of air will retard its drying and the finish will be crap.
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Hmm. Actually I believe the space can be adequately vented for the good of the glue/paint - just not enough for the health of the human element while applying it.

Does anyone have views on the dangers and effectiveness of spray-on adhesive, versus the heavy, claggy, brush-on stuff?
 
The spray on stuff is reasonably strong.
The brush-on contact adhesive is very strong. A stripe of it an inch wide will take hundreds of pounds force. Many materials will fail long before the glue.

I don't know what the project is, but how strong does it need to be? Do you need vast areas of glue?

This sounds like a prequel to a tale of woe 'previous owner glued headlining with killer glue, how the hell do I remove it?'
 
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