geem
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Anybody got any experience of anchor chain, good or bad, made by Chaineries Limousines? They do grade 32 and grade 70. The specification looks good on their website but I have never heard of them
French made anchor chain
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jc1
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I have only heard of their chain today. Force 7. Jimmy Green tell me they stock their connectorsHas anyone else experience of this company?
Roberto
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I personally would prefer them over other commonly available local -France- suppliers (and I will, new anchor chain planned for this year); I have no direct knowledge of every manufacturer everywhere in the world I am sure they are all excellent.
CL can load test chain and provide a certificate, should one wish so. Some resellers are not so scrupulous as to the origin of what they sell so if any interest make sure it has a "CL" marking every X links.
"The internet" states chain cannot deform or break before taking apart half of the bow, real life indicates chain failures of various kinds have happened in a number of cases, with the boat remaining in one piece, up to you to believe it or not sorry I won't comment (actually, problems with chain have been one of the reasons CL entered the anchoring chain market a few years ago); chain makers are surely all reputable but perhaps some are more reputable than others, I am sure anyone can find a local one they can trust
CL can load test chain and provide a certificate, should one wish so. Some resellers are not so scrupulous as to the origin of what they sell so if any interest make sure it has a "CL" marking every X links.
"The internet" states chain cannot deform or break before taking apart half of the bow, real life indicates chain failures of various kinds have happened in a number of cases, with the boat remaining in one piece, up to you to believe it or not sorry I won't comment (actually, problems with chain have been one of the reasons CL entered the anchoring chain market a few years ago); chain makers are surely all reputable but perhaps some are more reputable than others, I am sure anyone can find a local one they can trust
Neeves
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Some years ago a member here had a CL chain failure, poor weld. He actually recovered the failed link and CL replaced the chain, quietly. Since then CL has been bought by one of the big lifting chain companies, Rud or someone of real quality and issues then should have been be resolved.
As far as I can ascertain correctly made chain never fails but failures have occurred in the past, poor welds being one example. I have heard of chain stretching, so that it no longer fits the gypsy. However recent reports of chain failure have disappeared - suggesting quality control has improved. One of the main historic issue of chain failure was that the then owner had a failure of chain whose origins he knew nothing and as much chain is not marked it is impossible to pin to a manufacturer. Additionally much chain last 'for ever' and if you buy a yacht, second hand, you have no idea how the chain was used/abused and you don't look at every link to check for damage. So even if you have a failure it may have nothing to do with the chain maker.
Chains are commonly Proof Tested during production but chain is also meant to be batch tested. But a batch can be 3t and the requirement is to test only a few links (so its hardly a searching test). Proof testing, basically the chain does not stretch, is 2 times WLL and 50% of MBS - so yes - the bow roller will collapse before the chain stretches. But about 10 years ago I tested Oz made chain - supposedly Proof Tested and it stretched and stretched - it was a rogue batch and it had not been tested, properly.
Much chain in Europe now comes from China (as far as I know no-one makes anchor chain in the UK any more). Much Chinese chain is good, excellent quality. But there are hundreds of Chinese chain makers - all hungrily looking at the European market. As anywhere there will be good and maybe some bad. If you buy from a reputable importer Plastimo, Lewmar etc you can be relatively sure they are working with known historic suppliers and there should be QC somewhere in the system.
I have repetitively suggested that people who buy new chain should demand sight of a test cert of the batch (its part of production and hardly difficult). Chain should be tested and anyone importing chain, surely, asks for a test cert as part of documentation. If you don't ask you will not get it.
I have my own chain tested independently.
In terms of Jimmy Green - they seem a professional bunch and I would expect them and anyone of their credibility and reputation to demand a cert as part of their documentation whether they buy from an importer of Chinese chain, from Lofrans or from CL. If Jimmy Green, or a retail outlet do not have a certificate I'd have to question how they know that the product(s) they sell meet specification. Saying they are trustworthy - does not cut the mustard.
Minor example - I bought test lengths of G70 and G40 Maggi chain from JG and picked them up from our daughter in Manchester. When I got back to Oz I discovered I had two lengths of G40, no G70. How difficult is it to cut to chain samples?
Jonathan
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Not bought be Rud but by Pewag, or Austria.
Pewag and Rud are both highly respected chain makers. We, leisure marine, commonly use G30 chain, Pewag and Rud are at the forefront of chain innovation - both make a G120 quality used in lifting. G120 is the strongest available (that I'm aware of) and not yet made by anyone in China.
J
As far as I can ascertain correctly made chain never fails but failures have occurred in the past, poor welds being one example. I have heard of chain stretching, so that it no longer fits the gypsy. However recent reports of chain failure have disappeared - suggesting quality control has improved. One of the main historic issue of chain failure was that the then owner had a failure of chain whose origins he knew nothing and as much chain is not marked it is impossible to pin to a manufacturer. Additionally much chain last 'for ever' and if you buy a yacht, second hand, you have no idea how the chain was used/abused and you don't look at every link to check for damage. So even if you have a failure it may have nothing to do with the chain maker.
Chains are commonly Proof Tested during production but chain is also meant to be batch tested. But a batch can be 3t and the requirement is to test only a few links (so its hardly a searching test). Proof testing, basically the chain does not stretch, is 2 times WLL and 50% of MBS - so yes - the bow roller will collapse before the chain stretches. But about 10 years ago I tested Oz made chain - supposedly Proof Tested and it stretched and stretched - it was a rogue batch and it had not been tested, properly.
Much chain in Europe now comes from China (as far as I know no-one makes anchor chain in the UK any more). Much Chinese chain is good, excellent quality. But there are hundreds of Chinese chain makers - all hungrily looking at the European market. As anywhere there will be good and maybe some bad. If you buy from a reputable importer Plastimo, Lewmar etc you can be relatively sure they are working with known historic suppliers and there should be QC somewhere in the system.
I have repetitively suggested that people who buy new chain should demand sight of a test cert of the batch (its part of production and hardly difficult). Chain should be tested and anyone importing chain, surely, asks for a test cert as part of documentation. If you don't ask you will not get it.
I have my own chain tested independently.
In terms of Jimmy Green - they seem a professional bunch and I would expect them and anyone of their credibility and reputation to demand a cert as part of their documentation whether they buy from an importer of Chinese chain, from Lofrans or from CL. If Jimmy Green, or a retail outlet do not have a certificate I'd have to question how they know that the product(s) they sell meet specification. Saying they are trustworthy - does not cut the mustard.
Minor example - I bought test lengths of G70 and G40 Maggi chain from JG and picked them up from our daughter in Manchester. When I got back to Oz I discovered I had two lengths of G40, no G70. How difficult is it to cut to chain samples?
Jonathan
edit
Not bought be Rud but by Pewag, or Austria.
Pewag and Rud are both highly respected chain makers. We, leisure marine, commonly use G30 chain, Pewag and Rud are at the forefront of chain innovation - both make a G120 quality used in lifting. G120 is the strongest available (that I'm aware of) and not yet made by anyone in China.
J
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