AndCur
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I am going to replace my entire gas system can you give me any advice?
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VicS
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I may be judging you harshly but my first reaction is that if you need to ask a blanket question like that then perhaps you should not be contemplating doing this job yourself. Profuse apologies if I am wrong.
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AndCur
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No it was a general question. The plan is to build a gas locker which will drain over board. fit a bubble valve and on/off at the cooker etc
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Freebee
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dont even try and do it yourself you need to be corgi registered!!
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VicMallows
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First I've heard that you need to be CORGI for boat instalations .... must have come in in last few days??
I certainly agree that you should not attempt gas (or water; or electrics; or even perhaps phones (60v shock if it rings!!)) if you are not certain what you are doing, but I do really take exception to being told I must have work done by someone who has a 'certificate' by some busybody. Why did I spend years at university etc largely learning to understand my capabilities? I wouldn't dream of trying to shorten a pair of trousers (or a dress) ... that's SWMBO speciality (no, not job).
Sorry, A bit of a 'high horse' subject!
Vic
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I certainly agree that you should not attempt gas (or water; or electrics; or even perhaps phones (60v shock if it rings!!)) if you are not certain what you are doing, but I do really take exception to being told I must have work done by someone who has a 'certificate' by some busybody. Why did I spend years at university etc largely learning to understand my capabilities? I wouldn't dream of trying to shorten a pair of trousers (or a dress) ... that's SWMBO speciality (no, not job).
Sorry, A bit of a 'high horse' subject!
Vic
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supermalc
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http://www.boatsafetyscheme.com/site/Home_1.asp
If you download the guide, and follow it you won't go far wrong, as long as you are competent at engineering of course.
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If you download the guide, and follow it you won't go far wrong, as long as you are competent at engineering of course.
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MedMan
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I would also recommend an electric solenoid valve in the gas locker so you can isolate the supply every time you have finished with the cooker, even if it is raining cats and dogs.
Make the pipe run from the gas locker to the cooker in a single length of copper pipe so that you have no un-necessary joins.
Buy a length of blue, alkathene gas pipe with a large enough i.d. to run the copper pipe through and run that from the gas locker to the cooker. Glass it into place at regular intervals and then poke the copper tube through it. The copper pipe will now be supported along its entire length. Use sealant at the gas locker end, both to seal around the outside of the alkathene pipe where it passes through the bulkhead and to form a plug on the inside around the copper pipe so gas can't flow doen the blue pipe if you have a leak in the locker. You could, of course, use any colour alkathene pipe, but blue will be recognised universally as gas.
It used to be the case that you were allowed to do the work youself on a private vessel and then have it checked and certified by a CORGI registered fitter. However, I have many times read to the contrary on this forum so you best check that one out. The Southampton branch of Calor Gas is the place to ask - they are the experts on fitting Calor Gas in boats.
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Make the pipe run from the gas locker to the cooker in a single length of copper pipe so that you have no un-necessary joins.
Buy a length of blue, alkathene gas pipe with a large enough i.d. to run the copper pipe through and run that from the gas locker to the cooker. Glass it into place at regular intervals and then poke the copper tube through it. The copper pipe will now be supported along its entire length. Use sealant at the gas locker end, both to seal around the outside of the alkathene pipe where it passes through the bulkhead and to form a plug on the inside around the copper pipe so gas can't flow doen the blue pipe if you have a leak in the locker. You could, of course, use any colour alkathene pipe, but blue will be recognised universally as gas.
It used to be the case that you were allowed to do the work youself on a private vessel and then have it checked and certified by a CORGI registered fitter. However, I have many times read to the contrary on this forum so you best check that one out. The Southampton branch of Calor Gas is the place to ask - they are the experts on fitting Calor Gas in boats.
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pheran
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I thought you were allowed to do gas work on your own boat, vehicle etc BUT I see that two of our local caravan shops have now stopped selling gas fittings. Reason...? They cannot now be used by non-tradesmen.
You can still get them elsewhere of course, eg swindleries, because the same fittings are used for diesel.
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You can still get them elsewhere of course, eg swindleries, because the same fittings are used for diesel.
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poter
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Re:Corgi Fitter
This is what Calor have to say:
<"Do it yourself" installation is not encouraged. The installation of a gas system on the private vessel is not covered by the Gas Safety (Installations and Use) Regulations 1998. However, you have to take "responsible care for the health and safety of yourself and other persons who may be affected by your acts or omissions at work" under the Heath and Safety at Work Act 1974.
If you require professional training for LPG marine installations contact Paul Carter Training for details.
This means that you do not have to have the professional qualifications of a C.O.R.G.I. engineer, but you do need to do the job in a "workman like manner", so you will need to have read a copy of EN ISO 10239 and BS5482 pt3 as well as the references listed within. If you wish to do the installation yourself, then get it checked by a C.O.R.G.I. registered and "Competent" engineer who can issue a gas safety certificate. Your insurance company may insist upon it .>
I think that covers it.
I might add that I have just recently been in touch with Calor & they are extremly helpfull, So give them a call and get the correct info.
poter
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This is what Calor have to say:
<"Do it yourself" installation is not encouraged. The installation of a gas system on the private vessel is not covered by the Gas Safety (Installations and Use) Regulations 1998. However, you have to take "responsible care for the health and safety of yourself and other persons who may be affected by your acts or omissions at work" under the Heath and Safety at Work Act 1974.
If you require professional training for LPG marine installations contact Paul Carter Training for details.
This means that you do not have to have the professional qualifications of a C.O.R.G.I. engineer, but you do need to do the job in a "workman like manner", so you will need to have read a copy of EN ISO 10239 and BS5482 pt3 as well as the references listed within. If you wish to do the installation yourself, then get it checked by a C.O.R.G.I. registered and "Competent" engineer who can issue a gas safety certificate. Your insurance company may insist upon it .>
I think that covers it.
I might add that I have just recently been in touch with Calor & they are extremly helpfull, So give them a call and get the correct info.
poter
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Jools_of_Top_Cat
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Some threads here
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ybw.com/cgi-bin/forums/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=pbo&Number=444254&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1>gas fitting</A>
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ybw.com/cgi-bin/forums/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=pbo&Number=303942&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1>and another</A>
hope these help
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<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ybw.com/cgi-bin/forums/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=pbo&Number=444254&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1>gas fitting</A>
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ybw.com/cgi-bin/forums/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=pbo&Number=303942&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1>and another</A>
hope these help
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stephenh
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"blue will be universally recognized as gas"
I think you will find that :-
blue = water
yellow = gas
green = telecoms
electricity = ? ( mostly white , can vary)
sorry to go 'chasing the pediculus capita'
Stephen
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I think you will find that :-
blue = water
yellow = gas
green = telecoms
electricity = ? ( mostly white , can vary)
sorry to go 'chasing the pediculus capita'
Stephen
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Hands up please ??
<<gas safety certificate. Your insurance company may insist upon it>>
Can anyone please advise whether they have had this happen ?? I know that Inland Waterways have rules about CORGI etc. ...... but ??
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<<gas safety certificate. Your insurance company may insist upon it>>
Can anyone please advise whether they have had this happen ?? I know that Inland Waterways have rules about CORGI etc. ...... but ??
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Corgi ......
Dinky toys to you !!
CORGI is NOT a regulation .... it is advisory, only possibly compulsory on Inland waterways ..... and maybe Houseboats where residential conditions apply.
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Dinky toys to you !!
CORGI is NOT a regulation .... it is advisory, only possibly compulsory on Inland waterways ..... and maybe Houseboats where residential conditions apply.
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l'escargot
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Have a look <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/index.htm>here</A>
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chriscallender
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Re: Hands up please ??
No, didn't happen to me. Insurance was as usual "subject to all surveyors recommendations complied with" (they were all sensible recommendations so I would have done this regardless), but no need for a gas safety cert at all.... if they go down that road then I dread to think of the number of certificates that will soon be needed - gas, electrical, rigging, engine, fuel tank, what else is potentially dangerous on board ....
For now at least I think they just trust the surveyor who ought to be able to inspect all of the risky things - and if the surveyor gets it wrong they will sue him anyway!
Chris
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No, didn't happen to me. Insurance was as usual "subject to all surveyors recommendations complied with" (they were all sensible recommendations so I would have done this regardless), but no need for a gas safety cert at all.... if they go down that road then I dread to think of the number of certificates that will soon be needed - gas, electrical, rigging, engine, fuel tank, what else is potentially dangerous on board ....
For now at least I think they just trust the surveyor who ought to be able to inspect all of the risky things - and if the surveyor gets it wrong they will sue him anyway!
Chris
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JimMcMillan
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There is no problem so long as you can tighen nuts etc.but when you have completed the job,turn on gas and check every joint with fairy liquid any bubbles you have a leak.
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supermalc
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Re: Corgi ......
Dinky toys? ...could be.
When a local council officer came a few years ago, gas servicing and Corgi was mentioned, I said 'No he's a Lurcher, Corgi's are the dogs the Queen has'
Brought a smile if nothing else.
The reason I've a boat is an excuse for my dog to be in the countryside. See my website.
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Dinky toys? ...could be.
When a local council officer came a few years ago, gas servicing and Corgi was mentioned, I said 'No he's a Lurcher, Corgi's are the dogs the Queen has'
Brought a smile if nothing else.
The reason I've a boat is an excuse for my dog to be in the countryside. See my website.
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Jools_of_Top_Cat
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Re: Hands up please ??
Yes, it has happened to me.
My surveyor put in a recommendation to save his back,
The gas cooker has no flame out device and should be changed, the installation should be checked by a qualified engineer, (or words to that effect)
I have done all the work, new installation to BSS standard, new oven, gas leak tester on bottle. Ventilation in saloon (where cooker is sited). I cannot find anyone corgi registered to come aboard and just check the gas, they want to do a full survey. She was only surveyed 18 months ago so I do not wish to pay out again for a full survey.
At this time I have a caveat on my policy about gas fire not being insured. I am actively trying to sort this but it is not easy.
3 main insurance companies have also insisted on the same thing after reading the survey report.
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Yes, it has happened to me.
My surveyor put in a recommendation to save his back,
The gas cooker has no flame out device and should be changed, the installation should be checked by a qualified engineer, (or words to that effect)
I have done all the work, new installation to BSS standard, new oven, gas leak tester on bottle. Ventilation in saloon (where cooker is sited). I cannot find anyone corgi registered to come aboard and just check the gas, they want to do a full survey. She was only surveyed 18 months ago so I do not wish to pay out again for a full survey.
At this time I have a caveat on my policy about gas fire not being insured. I am actively trying to sort this but it is not easy.
3 main insurance companies have also insisted on the same thing after reading the survey report.
<hr width=100% size=1>Julian
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So far ..
Only because Surveyor had it in report that qualified person should etc.
I understand the Surveyor being cautious .... but also consider it silly - as he then has put a condition on the client that may lead to problems. Which in this case has.
Recommendations by Surveyors are damning items .... often done in good faith - but lead to all sorts of crap for the client. I am a surveyor and always discuss with client all aspects before committing them to a road. The boat I have now - the surveyor for the previous onwer 2 years prior to my purchase, wrongly identified the builders and class, that took some sorting when I insured it !!!!, secondly required replacement gas piping funnily enough that was NOT suitable ---- luckily the previous owner got that one sorted, and he also required a replacement of the anchor windlass bed plate ..... stupid idiot !!! I saw the old and it was better than the replacement one he required in the report !!!
So make sure you discuss all with the surveyor BEFORE he puts pen to paper ..... !!!!
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Only because Surveyor had it in report that qualified person should etc.
I understand the Surveyor being cautious .... but also consider it silly - as he then has put a condition on the client that may lead to problems. Which in this case has.
Recommendations by Surveyors are damning items .... often done in good faith - but lead to all sorts of crap for the client. I am a surveyor and always discuss with client all aspects before committing them to a road. The boat I have now - the surveyor for the previous onwer 2 years prior to my purchase, wrongly identified the builders and class, that took some sorting when I insured it !!!!, secondly required replacement gas piping funnily enough that was NOT suitable ---- luckily the previous owner got that one sorted, and he also required a replacement of the anchor windlass bed plate ..... stupid idiot !!! I saw the old and it was better than the replacement one he required in the report !!!
So make sure you discuss all with the surveyor BEFORE he puts pen to paper ..... !!!!
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seaesta2
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Why not rip it out and not replace it? From my viewpoint it is an uneccessary hazard and insurance cost.
I use electric and a spirit stove.
Martin
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I use electric and a spirit stove.
Martin
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